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Old 05-27-2010, 09:15 AM
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I guess I just don't get the rolling eyes thng...... aren't you saying the same thing?

You still have not placed the blame on anybody/anything, just disagreed with everyone.
Old 05-27-2010, 09:17 AM
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Whenever I mention BP, you say "but EVERYBODY else"

are you also one of those "but George Bush" excuse makers?
Old 05-27-2010, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by roozter View Post
Don't know if this has been posted but...


I caught a little bit on the news the other night about the Fed Gov "quadrupling" the tax per barrel of oil from the current $.08 to $.32
They said it's to help pay for clean up efforts and for future clean up efforts.


Basically, I see it as the oil companies will be paying a higher tax per barrel which in turn will drive up the cost to the consumers, (you and me), so it still boils down to us paying for the mess.

Par for the course.
And they wonder why the US is going broke! They make having a job and making money illegal, but they keep jacking the prices of everything to pay for their f-ups. Where do they think the money the people have is coming from if its damn near illegal to make money. Someone needs to put some brains in office. I will be running for Governor of FL in the next race after the one about to come up, so please vote on me so I can be President one day and make this country rite. No foreigners, lower taxes, $1/gal gas, legal drugs, taxes that make the rich pay what they should, tax companies who take their jobs to other countries, on and on. I will just tell my supporters Im going to do exactly what they want then when Im in the White House I will just screw them all over and help the people of our country, not the people of other countries.
Old 05-27-2010, 09:31 AM
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[QUOTE=A Few Dollars;3000669]Whenever I mention BP, you say "but EVERYBODY else"

I also a say "as well"

You still didn't place blame.

And all I am saying is it isn't JUST BP!!!

Do you see Cameron International Corp's name anywhere? They made the BOP that broke.

Anyway. I hate Barry Soetoro, AKA Barak Obama and the thigs they are doing to our country, so I do not know which direction you were going with the Bush comment.

Maybe we should discuss politics in a different forum.
Old 05-27-2010, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
I hate Barry Soetoro, AKA Barak Obama and the thigs they are doing to our country,



BP and transocean knew about problems with BOP a decade ago!
Old 05-27-2010, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by thermasystems View Post
Not passing the buck. But the real situation is ALOT of people/companies/things are to blame. Not just BP. And given the size of the company, the last thing we need is for them to go bankrupt (wich I doubt they will) or be in a situation to lay off people.

Thats all. Living in Louisiana I am sure you are aware of the economy, especially what happens to communities when the oil biz goes away.

They will be help responsible, they will pay for their mistakes. It sucks. But we cant change the past only hope to find a way to keep this from happening in the future.
BP makes $66mm a day in PROFIT, they are spending $16mm a day on spill efforts so this is just a drop in the bucket for them they have $7 Billion sitting in cash reserves so they will not be going bankrupt. What is frustrating is that they are spending more $$s a day to protect the shores and contain this thing or that they didn't have the foresight to be prepared for this kind of event. Maybe they should have invested some of that $7 billion of cash reserves in risk management!!! It isn't even about the money as most of the damage they have done can't be bought back.

And it is their fault, it was their well, their lease, they hired the subcontractors to do the work, and they were responsible for oversight, safety measures and precautions to make sure this didn't happen...not only that it wasn't as though this was an act of god, they and their subcontractors acted with negligence on a number of issues that all went wrong so while there is blame to go around it doesn't really matter BP holds the burden of most of it.

BTW- people get laid off everyday when companies make bad decisions it is part of the repercussions of bad management, so when BP decided to half ass their oversight and construction of this well they did it to themselves...it is the nature of business/ employment.
Old 05-27-2010, 10:35 AM
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Let's keep the politics out of the thread or the next stop is the Bilge.
Old 05-27-2010, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by seabob4 View Post
t3, where you been?

Anyway, the unfortunate aspect of this whole effin mess is exactly as most of you have been saying. We, the consumer, will pay for the cleanup, for the loss in profit on BP's part, for the subsequent rise in gas prices that I'm sure the other oil companies have in store for us, for the multitude of short term shareholders losses...

If this mess was about a bread manufacturer, an automobile manufacturer, just about any commodity manufacturer, we could say fine, we'll just buy something else...but we can't.

And they got us by the proverbial balls....

Aren't monopolies wonderful?
Well, look at it this way.
If the Germans would have packed more woolen underwear and socks in 1943 or so, we'd be buying WAFFEN SS SUPER TEST pumped from Russian oilfields.
Anyway it's sliced, we're going to be buying oil from alot of people who dont like us very much. Boycott the Brits, who are are friends and allies, we then give the business to the Arabs? Venezuela?
During the Arab oil embargo, "73" or so, it was decided an all out effort was to be made for an energy aternative.
Again, "79" or so, the percieved shortages and gas lines.
Then the outrage with the EXXON VALDEZ.
The thirst for oil will far outweigh the heat of the moment, regretably.
Polititians today will review drilling offshore for their political agenda. It'll pass when the crisis passes, as it always has in the past, regretably.
When we stop drilling in the Gulf, it will easily be resumed, offshore, by the Cubans, for example, backed by Venezuela, the Russians, Iran, pick one.
We'll restrict drilling in Alaska, but the Russians wont as to their enormous reserve.
Maybe better the devil we know?
We're going to buy it from someone.
Might as well be from someone who dosen't hate us.
Old 05-27-2010, 02:20 PM
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I disagree w/the notion "we are all to blame because we all buy gasoline"...that explosion was foreseeable and preventable...all they gotta do is alot enough of their precious profits to make it safe, have the engineers design safety into the process and avoid all this krap...it's just a matter of cost, pure and simple...let bean-counters lead the way and we're all doomed...they'd leave the safety off a gun to save money if they could get away w/it...
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I think we missed the boat on this one. I'm so upset over this whole thing it makes me sick. Prevention.... Yes prevention... A fail safe at the base of the well is on them off Brazil but not in the US.. Why? I'm not sure economic changes will really impact anything as it can happen again. We need to better regulate and at a minimum require all fail safes. There is no excuse at this point. BP today and someone else tomorrow. They are only going to spend enough money to stay in the requirements from the federal government and those requirements must be better defined and we are going to be even more ignorant if it happens again. Kind of like using nuclear power but not requiring fail safes that we know will work.. 2+2 = 5? Dah..... I live in FL off Tampa bay and right know feel like strangling everyone involved. EEErg....
Old 05-28-2010, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by reelapeelin View Post
I disagree w/the notion "we are all to blame because we all buy gasoline"...that explosion was foreseeable and preventable...all they gotta do is alot enough of their precious profits to make it safe, have the engineers design safety into the process and avoid all this krap...it's just a matter of cost, pure and simple...let bean-counters lead the way and we're all doomed...they'd leave the safety off a gun to save money if they could get away w/it...
We are all to blame because we worship at the altar of cheap gasoline, and because we don't force our elected officials to oversee the Federal agencies who are supposed to be regulating the industry.

It's not the bean counters that are the problem, it is the public who wants to pay the lowest possible price for gasoline without any regard for the true cost of the product. We have, by our own neglect, permitted the current administration, the previous administration, and the administrations before that to allow the regulators to be more interested in signing off on oil leases than enforcing reasonable preparations for catastrophic failures.
Old 05-28-2010, 05:56 PM
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I doubt anyone would mind if gas went up another $.01 a gallon if it would have have saved the accident from happening.
Old 05-29-2010, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe View Post
I doubt anyone would mind if gas went up another $.01 a gallon if it would have have saved the accident from happening.

BINGO!!...in the HUGE dollar world of world petroleum, the cost of insuring we get the gas we need at a reasonable cost and SAFELY outta the ground should be child's play...wjherb has a point, but how do we spend the time DEMANDING safety and going about the business of work-a-day providing for our families...I don't have time to run up to DC and picket the White House on weekends when I don't like something...

Don't discount the bean-counting penny-pinchers here...EVERY NUMBER on a P & L sheet is fair game for them and if they don't care about conducting their business in a manner benefiting the general public, those tight-wads will cut it in a minute...Read a book called "The Majic Is In The Minusha" (might be spelled wrong)...and you will see what lengths these people are blinded by numbers...cut out a little safety here and there...nothing to them as long as it saves a buck...

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