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Old 05-26-2010, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
Do any of y'all believe that just because you are at BRAND A gas station you are actually getting BRAND A gasoline?
For the folks that does have a clue what you just posted. It is just too sad. Too sad.



So until I get some actual logistic from the local fuel distribution - I will continue to fill wherever I need gas.
Old 05-26-2010, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
Do any of y'all believe that just because you are at BRAND A gas station you are actually getting BRAND A gasoline?

Those that do please contact me about the Brooklyn Bridge that I have for sale.
So.... I hear you have a bridge for sale...

Whatch ya looken to get out of it? I am in the market for a good bridge...
Old 05-26-2010, 04:32 PM
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BP is a Franchise! Go ahead and not buy their gas....GO BY WALMART GAS!
Old 05-26-2010, 04:35 PM
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Yesterday, the Feds proposed a good sized "oil cleanup" tax to be imposed on the oil companies. That tax, as well as the cost of the current cleanup will be paid by whom?

BP?

Their shareholders?

The Federal Government?

None of the above. It will be paid by you and I, every time we pick up the nozzle, at what ever brand station we go to.
Old 05-26-2010, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ScarabChris View Post
So no BP gas at a BP station?
Not 100% of the time. You really have no way of knowing.
Old 05-26-2010, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flyau98 View Post
I imagine BP has some fault here, but this blowout could have happened to any one of the rigs...
Yeah..any that were taking shortcuts in the drilling/capping cycle.
Old 05-26-2010, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ScarabChris View Post
I agree somewhat on both points.

This thing has been gushing oil for over a month. I am amazed they couldn't figure out how to at least slow it down by now.

My opinion? They are using the "top kill" method as a last resort, but it has the greatest chance of working. So why wait so long to use what seems like such a simple resolution? I think its because this method will kill the well. Their prior attempts were not to stop the oil flow but to contain it so it could be used for profit.

To me that seems like they were more concerned with their profit margin more than the affect the gusher would have on the environment and economy. In other words....greed!
Chris..I stated this very same thing in another thread and have been called ignorant and sad.

What you said makes sense to me and most normal folks, but I hope you have better luck.
Old 05-26-2010, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by A Few Dollars View Post
Not 100% of the time. You really have no way of knowing.
Spartanburg SC (it's where I live)is on a major spur for Colonial Pipeline...comes straight out of Texas...carries ALL the gasoline...when a driver pulls up to the terminal, he presses in the BRAND of gas he's gonna haul if going to a BRANDED station and he gets the raw gas BLENDED with THAT BRAND'S ADDITIVES pumped into his truck...a franchised station is obligated to use those additives to sell under the BRAND'S NAME just as McDonalds is obligated to construct a Big Mac per the franchiser's instructions...in short you really don't know what you are talking about.


Anybody knows the BP stations are not company owned...no news there...but who owns the franchise oh bright one?...Shell?...Exxon?...BP is the franchiser and a decline in traffic is gonna be noticed...and I don't have any illusions about bringing them to their knees...that ain't gonna happen...and I'll push my empty truck past a Citgo station to buy elsewhere...haven't been in one of those in YEARS...

One of the survivors of the explosion stated today that a BP bossman on the rig instructed workers to employ a known to be unsafe procedure just before it went up...if that story catches media attention, it'll be interesting to watch...
Old 05-26-2010, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kerno View Post
Yesterday, the Feds proposed a good sized "oil cleanup" tax to be imposed on the oil companies. That tax, as well as the cost of the current cleanup will be paid by whom?

BP?


Their shareholders?

The Federal Government?

None of the above. It will be paid by you and I, every time we pick up the nozzle, at what ever brand station we go to.
So, my friend,tell me, if we don't tax the oil companies, just WHO do you think -- WHO -- will do the paying? Just asking, really. To me, the answer should be the shareholders, who are the owners of the corporations doing the drilling and mucking up our oceans. Those who are profiting from this defilement should be paying. And lest you misunderstand me, I own shares in a number of energy companies as well as energy ETFs

Please, a responsible answer to your own silly question.
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News said today that BP supplies Castrol also. But I allready new that was bad oil.
Old 05-26-2010, 06:53 PM
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t3, where you been?

Anyway, the unfortunate aspect of this whole effin mess is exactly as most of you have been saying. We, the consumer, will pay for the cleanup, for the loss in profit on BP's part, for the subsequent rise in gas prices that I'm sure the other oil companies have in store for us, for the multitude of short term shareholders losses...

If this mess was about a bread manufacturer, an automobile manufacturer, just about any commodity manufacturer, we could say fine, we'll just buy something else...but we can't.

And they got us by the proverbial balls....

Aren't monopolies wonderful?
Old 05-26-2010, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by seabob4 View Post
Aren't monopolies wonderful?
Oil companies are more of an oligopoly..but your point still stands.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:02 PM
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T3: I'm delighted to jump into this debate with you. I don't consider it a silly question. However, your request that I answer it is interesting, because you and I are suddenly standing on the opposite side of where we usually find ourselves. I am, by nearly any measure, am a staunch conservative and an industrialist. If I recall correctly, you've typically taken a more liberal line. But, on to the issue at hand:

Here's my take on it: When a corporation has a dominant position in an essentially unregulated industry, they will pass on every cost they can to the consumer. In this case, PB has what might be termed a vertical monopoly on their product. They produce the raw material, process it and distribute it. When you are in that situation and have only a limited number of competitors, there is little or no incentive to sell at cost. Rather, you sell at all the market will bear. As consumers, we have little choice, since we have to buy our fuel from an oil company. Remarkably, the cost of production, refining and distribution in that industry is astoundingly close, since all of the companies selling the identical products are priced within a few percent of each other.

My expectation is that over a 5 year period, BP's net profits will remain the same. The only thing that will change in that time period is the increase in price you and I will pay to cover the cost of mitigation and any taxes associated therewith. If you feel they will be benevolent enough to take the cost out of profits and not pass it on, you have a markedly different perspective of their corporate ethics than I do.

Back to you.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:08 PM
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Fuk Bp.....I will not go to a BP station again. The franchise owner can pay another company for their sign. BP is screwing us big time.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:20 PM
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Let me give you an example of how it works. In our area, all of the gas comes in by barge. There are two terminals--barges bring refined gas to both of the terminals. It is not "branded" until the tanker truck is filled, and the "additatives" which are unique to the specific brand, are added. All of the gas comes from the same barges, the same storage tanks and is from multiple refineries.

As a business it is in BP's best interest to get this oil flow stopped as soon as possible. BP said over 2 weeks ago, that it will not use this well. There is nothing to save here. They will drill another well into this field.

The Problem is that you are working a mile under the sea. The pressure at that depth is 188.6 atmospheres of pressure--or somewhere about 2750 PSI just the pressure of the sea water column--add in the pressure of the oil --you are probably dealing with pressures in the neighborhoon of 10,000 PSI to inject the 2000 gallons "mud" into the well BOP per minute. This has never been done--and there is significant risk that it not only may not work, but could cause further damage.

Yes, the whole thing sucks. But there is a lot of "blame" to go around.... Not buying gas at a BP station will do nothing to resolve the issue. I suspect that the BP stations are already taking a hit and some bad mouthing.

I am as guilty as the next guy for using fuel--but we all use use it. We all have an appetite for gasolilne and diesel--both for out boats and person vehicless. That is why the drilling goes on.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:27 PM
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So Kerno,
As you have stated which is so evidently true, what do we, as consumers, do about the whole mess? Can we do anything? Is the answer voting in new representatives/senators/presidents who seem to behave, more or less, like the ones we just voted out? We don't want government, yet when a situation like this occurs, everyone asks, "Where is the Government?"

You get my drift? As The Who said in "Won't get Fooled Again"..."meet the new boss, same as the old boss"...

And this comes from a liberal...;?
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If you want to screw BP buy an electric car when they come out (and they will be on the market soon). The reality of this is oil prices will eventually go up because of the backlash on offshore drilling will significantly reduce future supplies, bottom line is we need alternative energy sources that don't rely on oil.

I would not fill up at a BP station whether it is their gas or not the franchisee is making a profit and if they lose their retail stations that hurts them, not to mention it is silly people saying that a Shell station is going to be selling BP gas, while that may be the case in a rare circumstance the odds are small. Even if it is just symbolic I wouldn't fill up at a BP.

Also as far as BP going bankrupt, their market cap is $132 billion (that is after a 20% drop) so if they set aside a few more billion to get on their ass and try to protect the coastlines a bit better the marshes wouldn't be full of oil.

The top kill better work, if this goes on for another 4-8 weeks it is going to get really really ugly.

BTW- I know they are saying the live feed but based on the clip CNN just put up of BPs CEO looking totally bummed out while lying to the camera I would put odds of success at 5%.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:34 PM
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If this leak continues and gets into "the loop" and gets to the eastern shore(s)...BP will be bankrupt.
Old 05-26-2010, 07:35 PM
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chiguy79,
Northside or Southside? Cubbies or Sox?

Hey, just a little brevity injected into a serious subject...
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If ignorance and bulls--t could cap a well it would have been done a month ago.

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