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Old 05-26-2010, 07:09 AM
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My lawn looks like sh!t. I usually put out annual rye in the fall but didnt this year and the weeds have taken over. I put out Scotts Turfbuilder with weed control about 6 weeks ago and put down tall fescue about 2 weeks ago. We have had a few good rains and temps in the 70s/low 80s since. (I know its the wrong time of the year for the new seed but I was hoping to get a little something.) The weeds have not gone away.
Will someone please tell me what these big clumps of dark green are? I am assuming its fescue. Where it is thick it looks OK but otherwise it looks like crap. Thinking of roundup-ing the whole thing, mowing it short and waiting till fall and starting over. Any help would be appreciated. Last pic is the backyard which looks ok.
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Old 05-26-2010, 08:42 AM
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I have spent the past few years taking care of my own yard and dealing with weeds, bugs, mold etc and always marveled at one of the neighbors yard.
I finally manned up and asked what the hell he does to maintain.
His reply was "Trugreen".

We called them, got a quote and for $300 a year at 8 applications people now ask me how in the hell do I have such green perfect grass.

Hiring a company to keep my lawn in good shape is against everything my Dad has instilled in me, but when I looked at what we were spending on weed, feed, chemicals etc .... calling Trugreen was easily justified.
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No expert here

I think it looks fine. Much nicer than mine - every year I seem to have a diffferent issue depending on the weather. One mowing will eliminate the highs - but as said above if you really want something better probably go with a pro - I never had good luck with applying chemicals myself.

Thise big clumps of dark green are what I call grass and others call weeds.....

And a side comment - nobody cares about your lawn when they have the beautiful ocean view (are those ocean front homes across the road?!!!!! That is what caught my eye anyway......
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Hard to tell....Could be wrong, but those clumps maybe Crabgrass.....?
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Hard to tell....Could be wrong, but those clumps maybe Crabgrass.....?


I agree
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Here is what I do to keep my yard looking good.

Early Spring - Spray yard with a pre-emergent weed killer. (To late now)

De-Thatch the entire yard. They make a machine or you can just rake pretty heavily.

Of course you're going to have additional broadleaf weeds come up even though you used the pre-emergent.

So, don't cut it for a couple of weeks and spot treat with a broadleaf herbicide or spray the whole yard. Make sure it's works with your type grass. All of the weeds need to be up so that you get good coverage. Don't water for a few days afterwards and don't do it before forcasted rain.

A week after spraying mow the grass.

Get a bunch of Mushroom Compost Fertilizer and cover the yard. Water like crazy for a week and a half and resist the urge to cut. After a week and half cut the grass as you normally would.

This is what I do and my grass looks wonderful.

I am not a grass expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I do try and have a nice yard.

While I'm buying compost I also compost every flower, bush, etc. as well. By the end of the summer I'll have impatiens that are as tall as my arm is long. It's a lot of work, but I enjoy doing it.
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post

every year I seem to have a diffferent issue depending on the weather.

And a side comment - nobody cares about your lawn when they have the beautiful ocean view (are those ocean front homes across the road?!!!!! That is what caught my eye anyway......
Yeah 2 years ago my front yard looked good and my backyard sucked now the tides are turning. The houses across the street are on the river. Thanks for the tips guys, keep em coming.
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Hard to tell....Could be wrong, but those clumps maybe Crabgrass.....?
The clumps look like crabgrass. 2 options I would recommend.

a) get on hands and knees and pull weeds (crabgrass is a weed)

b) go buy one of those spray bottles that attach to your hose (garden section HD/Lowes). They make them to kill weeds including crabgrass and not your actuall grass.

Back when I lived in Charlotte my yard looked like that. After a year of killing weeds and fertilizer it looked like a different yard. I recommed Scotts products.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:41 PM
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Try the Bayers weed killer. It comes in a blue spray bottle and kills crabgrass but not lawn grass. I had problems with clovers and it worked wonders as well as getting rid of dandelions and crabgrass.
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Down here, crabgrass is lawn.
I have a bermuda lawn that has been great until giving me fits this year. Gotta nasty weed that I just cant completely kill.
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The best defense to prevent weeds is to maintain a strong healty lawn.

The crabgrass needs to go now, or it will take over the lawn.

It still looks possible to be effective by ripping out the crabgrass.

Part of that process is growth of new healthy grass.

If the lawn has recently been treated w/ a pre-emergent chemical, then good grass won't start. The summer temps won't help either.

The lawn professionals have several strengths. Those include automatic billing and automatic visits.

If a $1M lawn is desired, then a more personal touch is required.

When I got disgusted w/ their "wait 'till next year" chorus, year after year, I took over and transformed the lawn. It was just time and money.

Once the health lawn takes root it forces the other stuff into submission.
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WOW!

You guys must be hard on judging lawns. To me that picture looks pretty dog gone good.

I have a yard-- definitely not a lawn. Grass/weeds get cut every two weeks, period the end. I better not ever catch any one putting any kind of fertilizer on the yard.

My new project is to figure out mathimaticly how many stobs I would have to put down and the spacing between each stob, so two goats could efficiently keep the grass under control.
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The problem with your lawn is that you have an ocean view, and the only solution would be for us to do a house swap!!! Hope you like new england!

As a boater i have grass and not a lawn, because i prefer time on the boat, to time in the yard!
The boating season is much shorter up here so that's how i prioritize.

Let me know when to start packing my stuff up!
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Easy, just hit it with scotts again. I do it every year, and have the greenest yard in the neighborhood. I used to think it would burn it up, but my yard looks awesome and is weed free. Just wait three weeks to a month since last application, but dont put it out more than twice. My dad tried to go with a cheaper fertlizer this year and it ended up costing him alot of hours in the yard pulling, digging, planting. Scotts Bonus S is the right stuff.
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I just tried this product and it has amazed me, It wiped out my clover, and any broad leaf weeds I had in the yard
Lebenon Proscape Fertilizer with Confront *3 & Dimension For Post and Preemergence control of weeds. Used it on my fescue front yard and zoysia rear yard.

I have always had a hard time with clover and crabgrass
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I just tried this product and it has amazed me, It wiped out my clover, and any broad leaf weeds I had in the yard
Lebenon Proscape Fertilizer with Confront *3 & Dimension For Post and Preemergence control of weeds. Used it on my fescue front yard and zoysia rear yard.

I have always had a hard time with clover and crabgrass
Clover is a tough one to eliminate.

When they are immature, it is easy to remove w/ hand-extraction.

Once they are established, forget about it.

I've tried chemicals on the established clover, but it slowed, not eliminated the problem.

I'll try this product.

Thank you.
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The weed in the picture looks like "Dallisgrass", it is very difficult to remove. The most successful method is the old way of pulling them out by hand.

I found an article on the net that expains the weed, and various ways of its removal and control. The name of the article is "Perennial Grass Weeds and Their Control in
Cool-Season Turf", Universtiy of Maryland, Turfgrass Technical Update TT-46 October 2004, written by Dr. Peter Dernoeden.

It is well worth the read, and it will advise you on all the options to remove.

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The dark green clumps are NOT weeds, it is the tall fescue you planted.
It's the same type of grass i seeded my yard with (Kentucky 31).
The problem is that you already had your yard seeded with rye, then seeded the fescue over it, and the two have entirely different looks. You can either continue to overseed with the fescue, until it fills in the remaining spots of the yard, or kill it all and start over. Without irrigation, it's almost like a never ending battle though.
Trust me, i know, because i've been overseeding for 3 years now because i refuse to spend the money on irrigation.
If you can get the fescue even throughout the yard it looks decent, although there are better looking grasses available.

Do your overseeding in the fall, then put down a weed/crabgrass killer, along with fertilizer in the spring.
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