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Old 05-24-2010, 03:13 AM
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Friend sent me this last night. .
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Cap and Trade = Cap and Tax


We thought we were angry before! This is getting even scarier!

Well read this one, it is all snoped and links are at the bottom of the page. If Congress strong arms this through America is finished!!! Hope you pass this on to every single person you know. Our government is totally out of control.

If you own a Home, Read this!!

A License Required for your HOUSE?


Thinking about selling your house. Take a look at H.R. 2454
(Cap and Trade bill), that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate.

Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded.

A year from now you won't be able to sell your house.

The caveat is, that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

To get this permission,you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Cost $200 to start. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements, which easily could cost over $50,000.

Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license
(called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.

And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest.

Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.

The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.Sect. 202 Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America.

The label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.

The government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15.

That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.

CHECK OUT Just a few of the sites;

Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/cap-a...ur-home-44750/

HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

Cap & Trade A license required for your home: http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-...your-home.html

Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal: http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/co...-45371937.html

Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2393940/posts

Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454: http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/...nd-trade-bill/


Pass this on to everyone on your e-mail list pass it across America!
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It's a shame our goverment is no longer "for the people".
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Good lord. Are you guys really that naive?

There is no such provision for existing homes in the bill. The new energy standards are only for homes built AFTER the bill passes.
There are tax benefits included for any home owner who voluntarily decides to upgrade their existing home to meet the standards.

PLEASE educate yourselves before you turm into Ditto Heads, and certainly before you vote in November. Certaily consider the leanings of any web site linked and make your own educated decisions.
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[QUOTE=liveaboard74;2993033]Friend sent me this last night. .
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WE already had. Wrote it at the top of the page. Sorry you missed that part. Morning to you to, menzies.
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This drivel should be bilged!
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Good lord. Are you guys really that naive?

There is no such provision for existing homes in the bill. The new energy standards are only for homes built AFTER the bill passes.
There are tax benefits included for any home owner who voluntarily decides to upgrade their existing home to meet the standards.

PLEASE educate yourselves before you turm into Ditto Heads, and certainly before you vote in November. Certaily consider the leanings of any web site linked and make your own educated decisions.

I believe any home that is on the market For Sale has to be current to these standards????
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I think its kinda funny.
Posted the e mail I got and had heard some of what was going on. life for some of us (that work) is not all politics but figured some of you that have morning Mass down at Micky D's with the boys every morning, then home the rest of the day in front the TV / computer would chine in and give those of us that have not heard the read deal,, "the rest of the story" the scoop. Sure didn't turn out that way did it.
So much for starting something the Micky D crowed might not have heard of. but no,, leave it up. I've laughed all day about this.!!!!

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While I despise government, our housing stock is woefully energy inefficient. This is kinda like seeing a lawyer run of a cliff in a Porsche..real mixed emotions.

Florida does have a minimal energy efficiency code that all new residences must meet. However, when I built my ultra insulated energy efficient home, no one, not even FPL, offered ME any incentives. So I say..screw 'em.
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Originally Posted by tommyr904 View Post
I believe any home that is on the market For Sale has to be current to these standards????
Nope.

Only houses BUILT after the law paases. It has nothing to do with selling, old or new.
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
While I despise government, our housing stock is woefully energy inefficient. This is kinda like seeing a lawyer run of a cliff in a Porsche..real mixed emotions.

Florida does have a minimal energy efficiency code that all new residences must meet. However, when I built my ultra insulated energy efficient home, no one, not even FPL, offered ME any incentives. So I say..screw 'em.
I cant speak for others but we are on an energy efficency upgrade ode on our current home and I can tell you this, I aint doin it for the rebates I am doing it so I can keep more of the money that I and the wife make instead of giving it to FPL
New A/C all new light fixtures,new kitchen appliances, New washer/dryer, weather stripping on all the doors trees to block the house from direct sun. lol you name it we are doing it. If I thought a wind turbine would help I would invest in one of those
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Good lord. Are you guys really that naive?

There is no such provision for existing homes in the bill. The new energy standards are only for homes built AFTER the bill passes.
There are tax benefits included for any home owner who voluntarily decides to upgrade their existing home to meet the standards.

PLEASE educate yourselves before you turm into Ditto Heads, and certainly before you vote in November. Certaily consider the leanings of any web site linked and make your own educated decisions.
Your full of it. Its in the bill. Read the bill not the various emails circulating. When you find the part that says it only for homes built after the bill passes let us know. I've read the bill the house passed, have you? Yes I read the bill, you did not.
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It's a shame our goverment is no longer "for the people".

Yeah, I agree with that!!!

But still you got a vote!

Some of us voters are going to litterly clean out Washington this fall and for the next few years. Hope you are on board!

Electing Obama was a half-hearted attemp at change. Now the change REALLY begins. It happens when we clean Washington not just of old school elected officials, but their appointees which we as voters can't approve by vote, but that produce exactly the kind of thing that you just listed above. A thing that is opressive to the American people as a whole and something that the old school in DC would wish could fly under our radar.

Thanks for the post, see you at the polls!
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Bum, one of the worst features is A/C duct/equipment in the attic, where the temp is often 130+ degrees. Old ductwork has little insulation. Coldest air is in the hottest part of the house.
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Bum, one of the worst features is A/C duct/equipment in the attic, where the temp is often 130+ degrees. Old ductwork has little insulation. Coldest air is in the hottest part of the house.
Yeah. I have a good buddy up in Tampa that does A/C and that project is set for next winter. New Comp, New handler and all new rigid duct work. After that all new insulation. I was considering the urethane in the attic but got talked out of it by the contractor that is doing the job.
We also have an exhaust fan on a thermo control going in the attic to move the hot air out
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Your full of it. Its in the bill. Read the bill not the various emails circulating. When you find the part that says it only for homes built after the bill passes let us know. I've read the bill the house passed, have you? Yes I read the bill, you did not.
Then you can't read. Or maybe you let Limbaugh read it for you and tell you all about it!

Do as you preach - post up the section that says all houses have to be retrofit before they can be sold.

Title II Energy Efficency (section 202)

http://www.hillheat.com/files/ACES_t...trofit_Program:

And Factcheck.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/ene...xisting-homes/

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Bum, good plan. Locate the air handler out of the attic? The iconene (sp?) insulation seems to work great, but I'm unsure of the long range effect on the plywood, etc.

We in Florida have to consider HOW the attics are vented because of wind driven water. Ridge vents leak! All roof vents leak. I've gotta vented cupola that I cover the louvers on during a hurricane. Even vented soffit can be a problem.
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I will just keep my opinion to myself. You know what they say about politics and religion
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Bum, good plan. Locate the air handler out of the attic? The iconene (sp?) insulation seems to work great, but I'm unsure of the long range effect on the plywood, etc.

We in Florida have to consider HOW the attics are vented because of wind driven water. Ridge vents leak! All roof vents leak. I've gotta vented cupola that I cover the louvers on during a hurricane. Even vented soffit can be a problem.
Air Handler is in a closet no ridge vents since this is an old house and the eaves are vented
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The word "retrofit" is used extensively throughout the bill, but I could not find anywhere in which it uses that word in the context of existing homes. So we're probably still getting screwed. We'll just receive our screwing indirectly as Customers and Taxpayers, but not directly as Home Owners.

However, I also couldn't find anywhere in which it states that the residential provisions only apply to new homes.

Also, I'm not saying the the provisions I mentioned above do (do not) exist within the bill. I'm just saying I couldn't find them.
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Just like the healthcare bill, we won't know what's in it until it passes....

Anyone that thinks we won't get screwed by this, is living on another planet.....
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