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Old 05-17-2010, 08:29 PM
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Anyone have one? Know best brands etc? Want one that I can use PC to set at least a weekly schedule. Would like it to have a front panel but mainly want to set it with PC and be able to lock out the front panel and IP access with password.
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I know a bit... seeing how I have one.

Proliphix is what I use... I've also used one that you can call via telephone. The proliphix is wonderful.
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Interesting. Will these things let you actually model your usage, or at least report on runtime and cost over an extended period? IE will they finally answer the question of "do I save money by turning my thermostat up during the day?"
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Old 05-18-2010, 08:34 PM
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Thanks for the reply. The Proliphix is what I've been studying for the last couple of days. I read the configuration manual for the NT10e this afternoon. Looks like a very capable unit. Thought there would be many choices for this kind of gadget out there by now, but after searching the web, I've only come up with 2, the Proliphix being the more robust of the 2. Looks like a winner.

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The main advantage I see is that they allow you to schedule HVAC behavior thru a web interface with a few mouse clicks rather than standing in front of a programable non-IP thermostat for hours pushing endless series of buttons all the while, conslting a manual. The web interface (to me) is a HUGE plus when it comes to programing. The Proliphix models give you incredible depth to program weekdays vs. weekends and even splits each day into 4 day-parts. You set the time for each day part. Say night on weekdays runs from 9 PM thru 6 am, morning from 6a-7.30a, day from 7.30a- 4p and evening from 4p-9p. You can set heat and A/C temps for each day part (they call them day classes). Say in summer you want the house at 74F while sleeping, cool it off a bit in the am while getting ready for work to say 72F. Then, during the day when no one is home, let it get up to 80F. At 4p, start cooling it back down to say 75F before you get home at 4.30, and then back down to 74F for the overnight. You can also setup different temps for the heater for those same day parts and the thing is smart enough to know when to switch from A/C to heat and back. On Sat and Sun, if you like to sleep late, just make night end at 8am rather than 6 am. You also may stay home all day on the weekends so you don't want the house at 80F all day... just set a different schedule for weekends. All stuff you can pretty much do with a programable thermostat, but MUCH easier thru a web page. Also, the Prolophix can hold a 365 day schedule.

Another added bonus is web access. Say your went out of town on business but don't know when you'll be back. Just set it to 80F all the time and when you get back in to your home airport, use your web enabled cell phone to cool the house back off before you get home 30 minutes later. Laptop also works.

They have something called usage counters. Won't tell you how much electricity or whatever you saved by turning the t-stat up or down, but it will give you a minute accurate count of the total time each relay in the system was active.... in plain English, it will tell you how much time your A/C and or heater ran in total. The more it runs, the more it costs. Do a month of scheduled temp control vs a month of just leave it on 74F all the time and compare total run-times. The one with the lowest number wins.

If you have a vacation home or a fishing camp or whatever, leave the A/C off. Then, before you leave the house headed for a weekend of fishing, hit it up on the internet from your home PC and crank up the A/c so it'll be nice and cool when you arrive.
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are they wireless?
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They can be "made" wireless with some crafty work -- but for the most part, no, they are not. And seeing how the unit is wired to your hvac system, I don't see the big deal with running a network line to the unit -- plus it takes the power it needs from there.

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Here is what I have:

1 Proliphix EPA-20 Ethernet Power Adapter
1 Proliphix NT20e 1 Heat/1 Cool Programmable Internet Thermostat, Remote Sensor Inputs
1 Proliphix PTS-S3EW Executive Indoor Thermal Sensor
1 Proliphix PTS-OS3 Standard Outdoor Thermal Sensor

The indoor sensor is terrific if you want to "balance" the temp in areas that aren't well balanced to begin with. The outdoor sensor is more of a "what the heck" toy...

It is also terrific if you live in a freeze area, it will send me an email and a text if the temp falls below a certain level.

It is easy to setup, the only part people screw up is that you'll need to open the port on the router -- not very hard at all... if you're not familiar with "port forwarding" google it, or let me know and I can try to help.

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I can tell you that the biggest benefit is that it "sends a signal" to the proliphix server incase your ip changes (host is dynamic and not static), it makes it wonderful and worry free.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
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Here is what I have:

1 Proliphix EPA-20 Ethernet Power Adapter
1 Proliphix NT20e 1 Heat/1 Cool Programmable Internet Thermostat, Remote Sensor Inputs
1 Proliphix PTS-S3EW Executive Indoor Thermal Sensor
1 Proliphix PTS-OS3 Standard Outdoor Thermal Sensor

The indoor sensor is terrific if you want to "balance" the temp in areas that aren't well balanced to begin with. The outdoor sensor is more of a "what the heck" toy...

It is also terrific if you live in a freeze area, it will send me an email and a text if the temp falls below a certain level.

It is easy to setup, the only part people screw up is that you'll need to open the port on the router -- not very hard at all... if you're not familiar with "port forwarding" google it, or let me know and I can try to help.

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I can tell you that the biggest benefit is that it "sends a signal" to the proliphix server incase your ip changes (host is dynamic and not static), it makes it wonderful and worry free.

Question: My house doesn't really have any "hot spots" except maybe the kitchen when cooking. Would you go with the NT10 or 20? If NT20, put the extra sensor in the kitchen? Do they charge any fee for use of their "online tunneling service"?

I don't live in a freeze area.... but maybe if "global warming" keeps going the way it has for the last 2 years, it might become a freeze area!
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Question: My house doesn't really have any "hot spots" except maybe the kitchen when cooking. Would you go with the NT10 or 20? If NT20, put the extra sensor in the kitchen? Do they charge any fee for use of their "online tunneling service"?

I don't live in a freeze area.... but maybe if "global warming" keeps going the way it has for the last 2 years, it might become a freeze area!
If you only need one "input" the 10 would be fine for you... If I recall the price was about $40 more for the 20, so I went with it... I wouldn't put the extra sensor in the kitchen... My situation warranted the "averaging"... and the outdoor temp is just "fun".

The deal where it sends the IP to their server is totally free, stable, and very easy to use. Unless you have a static IP, it's a great service.

Check around for coupons where you buy, there are always a few deals.

Let me know if you have questions... it is easy to wire, the "id" for settling us the server thing on their end can be a pain, and you'll need to read up on port forwarding so that the router that is connected to the thermostat can be "seen"...
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Thanks a bunch for the info and advice. Not too afraid of the network setup. Been a network/computer geek for close to 20 years. Currently building a fiber opic/ IP camera network for 30+ IP cameras with a projected 12 MB data rate for each camera for a client, so I should be able to handle that part w/o too much difficulty. My company specializes in data infrastructure and cabling. Again, really appreciate your input.
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No sweat, happy to help - sounds like the IT end of it will be easy for you. You're gonna love showing up and having the temp be exactly what you like! It's wonderful!

P.S. If you want, I'm sure you already know, you don't really need the power over ethernet you can pretty easily just "power" the proper wires within the cable... no big deal either way.
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Not that up on this stuff. But we sell Vantage Autamation, Central lite automation, and looking at HAI, But this Proliphix looks better with drivers ready to go. I'am simple myself and this looks good to me. Don't take it to the bank, just thoughts!
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For the last seven years or so I have been using a RCS thermostat in conjunction with my X-10 system. The RCS will respond to X-10 in the normal way, and you can remotely input to the X-10 system in your building via phone (the old way) or over the net (the "new" way.)

The RCS unit, while not cheap, is first quality and built to last. They may be a little "commercial" for the average joe user, but if you like them, I'd heartily recommend them. In addition to the X-10 interfaced systems, RCS also has other options available, with info at the website. I believe they are fully compatible with all major home automation systems but, as I said, since I solved my problem years back with their X-10 unit, I haven't really kept up on the newer stuff from them.

Website at http://resconsys.com/ (For "Residential Control Systems")

Should add that one of the great pluses of the RCS stats in comparison with some of the competitors is that they require only the existing four wires at the stat location for their install....no rewiring. A second module, at the "equipment end" of the run interfaces between the existing stat wiring and the heat/cool equipment, but at the equipment end where it's easy. Plus generally no extra wiring required at that end either. So no Cat 5 in the living room wall, whatever.
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My experiences with X-10 is/was/still is TORTURE. I have a top-of-the-line phase coupler installed, amongst other things... and STILL nothing but trouble. The rocket-sockets are crap, and the powerhouse interface is total poop. Unless you know something I don't (and I'm ALL EARS), I would stay as far away from ANYTHING x-10 related unless you need it to work "most" of the time... IMHO ONLY.
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Not really looking for a home automation system anyway ( I also do Crestron system design, programing and implementation). All I want is a stand alone programable thermostat so I'm not running the A/C full blast for the 9-10 hrs a day we aren't home. Don't want to turn it all the way off, just want it to bump up to 78-80 or so during the day and then cool it back down before we get home. It was 96F here today, yesterday and Saturday. Same kind of thing in reverse during winter. This one (Proliphix) offers the pros of a programable t-stat with the added benefit of being easy to program with a 365 day calender. The internet access is just pure langiappe for me.

There's lot's of stuff I still want to do to this house (we just purchased it last spring), but after dumping tons of cash into down payment, new tile floors in kitchen, breafkast, laundry and 2 baths, granite with new sinks and faucets in kitchen and 2 baths, total interior re-paint, 5 new ceiling fans, new light fixtures, new fridge, dishwasher, cooktop, new hardware on all cabinets throughout the house, carpet in 2 bedrooms, area carpet/rugs for rooms with hardwood floors, and about 800' of fencing (so far), I'm running out of green!!! Haven't even touched the master bath yet or exterior paint (I hate the current color), but for about 300 bucks, I think I can afford this one.... maybe! I currently have 2 gas water heaters that I'd like to replace with gas tankless units but that's going to have to wait a while too. Got about 200 more feet of fence to put up before I can bring the dogs to the new house, but there's also about 6-8 more trees I need to cut down before I put the last section of fence up. Damn, I'm getting tired just thinking about it.
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Well, if you are a really dedicated new homeowner and automation guy, there is only one obvious answer.....sell the damn Contender, you aren't going to have time to use if for a year or two anyway, the way it sounds.
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Well, if you are a really dedicated new homeowner and automation guy, there is only one obvious answer.....sell the damn Contender, you aren't going to have time to use if for a year or two anyway, the way it sounds.

LOL! Same thought's been going thru my mind a lot lately! And it's worse than you think. May of 2007 my boat was rear-ended by a car as I was pulling it home from the first trip of the summer. Spent the entire summer getting it put back together. One fishing trip in October. Summer of 2008 I had a contract to do work in a bunch of schools. Made good money but spent the entire summer working, no fishy, fishy. Summer 2009 I spent doing all the work to the new house. We purchased the house in March and didn't move in till September. Spent all that time painting, flooring etc. This summer we have the wonderful oil spill to contend with. I installed 2 brand new motors on that boat around August- Sept of 2007 and as of right now, I think I have about 125 hours on them!!! That sucks.

Snapper season opens next Tuesday. Think I'll work on the boat this weekend and have it ready to go on Tuesday. My luck- a customer will call and just have to have whatever it is they need by Wed. Arrrrrrgh!
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Go for the snapper while the oil will still let you. Damn, that is three seasons in a row of crummy boat luck. You are due for a change.
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