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Old 05-15-2010, 02:14 PM
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I'm ceding to my wife's demands for a front load washer and dryer. A problem is these machines are larger than the old style machines. So there are some challenges fitting them into our laundry closet. Options:
  1. The store says side by side on the pedestals is the way to go. This will barely fit, I think, but the elevated washer will hide the water outlet/drain box. I can access the supply lines in the basement to add cutoff valves there, but it bothers me that I won't be able to see the hose connections to monitor for leaks.
  2. We could install the machines side by side without the pedastals, and then the valve box will be in the clear. This would also save the $500 highway robbery they get for a pair of them. The store does not recommend this; says we will find the machines too low to use comfortably. My wife doesn't think it is a big deal and is concerned she won't be able to reach stuff she likes to store on top of the machines if they are on pedestals (She is 5'-1"). I'm not sure I like the look without pedestals.
  3. The last option is to stack them, which will also clear the water box. That would also eliminate my concerns about a tight squeeze for door swing on the machines and open up closet space for a folding/storage table. But I worry buyers might react negatively to seeing stacked W/D when we sell in about 3 years.
How did those of you who have these machines set up your installation?

I keep wondering if we should ditch the whole idea and just buy another cheap top loader to carry us through. We're probably going to move in 3 years, but you never know. I am impressed with the functions on these new machines and the quietness would be welcome since the laundry closet is near the family room.
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I have 8 year old front loaders and they are not on pedastals with no issues. A bit low but not terrible
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We bought them without the pedestals and a month later we purchased the pedestals. She likes the height of the machines with the pedestals.
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Bob...IM sent.
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by beachbum43 View Post
We bought them without the pedestals and a month later we purchased the pedestals. She likes the height of the machines with the pedestals.

Ditto, but my wife is 5'10" and I'm 6'. On the pedestals is the way to go.
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Have you considered building a platform for them instead of the pedestals? You might be able to address most of your concerns by only elevating them 4-6"?
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Bob's option - Use the short cycle on the regular washer - it will clean as good - all these newer machines clean great but beat the crap out of your clothes and the front loaders are sure better on water usage but the worst on eating up your clothes - just my experience - no professional review....on the other hand I guess most folks wash a garment a few times and throw it away anyway as styles change so often and shopping seems to be the number one national pastime....

Good for you guys - they DO save water and energy !!! And hey, there is nothing nicer than a couple well "stacked" female appliances !! (well actually with female appliances you are either going to stack them or put them on pedestals - maybe both).

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Old 05-15-2010, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Flot View Post
Have you considered building a platform for them instead of the pedestals? You might be able to address most of your concerns by only elevating them 4-6"?
That's what I did, I gaged at the price they want for pedastals so I made my own out of 2x4 and 1/2 ply.
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I'm able to save you some coins.

Long before front loaders were the norm all dryers were front load. The problem was solved 20 years ago by building a plywood box and covering it with Formica to match the cabinets. Sure beats bending over on all fronts. A sheet of AC, some screws, corner blocking, glue and laminate shouldn't set you back more than 150 bucks. You could add some drawers for better use of space.

For my next remodel the idea is being floated to elevate the dishwasher to also avoid bending over to (un)load. On top of the DW with be the micro with a television above that. With only raising the DW 10 or so inches it brings the micro more to a wall oven height.

Oopps, sorry I didn't finish reading the othet posts prior to writing.
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Front loaders have no agitator, so they are easier on clothes. Today's fabrics and fabric softeners are what shorten the life of clothes, but as mentioned above, apparently most people don't care about it any more.
Front loaders use less power and less water.
The clothes come out dryer, so it's less work for your dryer.
Don't forget to use the HE soap - it makes a difference.

My wife didn't want to stoop, so I was forced to go with the pedestals unless I wanted to inherit the job. The shutoffs are partially blocked, but it's not a big deal - I replace them every 5-7 years anyway. If they are leaking you'll know it. The one downside is that you can't easily shut them off when going on vacation.
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And some wiring,
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Originally Posted by jobowker View Post
Front loaders have no agitator, so they are easier on clothes. Today's fabrics and fabric softeners are what shorten the life of clothes, but as mentioned above, apparently most people don't care about it any more.
Front loaders use less power and less water.
The clothes come out dryer, so it's less work for your dryer.
Don't forget to use the HE soap - it makes a difference.

My wife didn't want to stoop, so I was forced to go with the pedestals unless I wanted to inherit the job. The shutoffs are partially blocked, but it's not a big deal - I replace them every 5-7 years anyway. If they are leaking you'll know it. The one downside is that you can't easily shut them off when going on vacation.
I respectfully disagree

They have an "agitator" equivilant - ribs along the drum, but more importantly they cause more "clothes to clothes" abrasion. We had the front loader years ago and gave it away because it was so hard on the clothes. Maybe they have made improvements - I am guessing front loaders were or are harder because - although the adjitator in the top loader is indeed more agressive at movement (of clothes AND WATER) - the clothes are ALWAYS underwater where as with the front loader they use an absolutely minimum amount of water so the clothes rub against each other and the drum without as much liquid "cushion" between them. This occurs even in the rinse cycles. Much more of the cleaning is the clothes rubbing against each other (perhaps why they can clean as well with less water) - as our grandmothers did back in the days of by-hand tub clothes washing - whereas with the underwater top loader system the cleaning comes from more agressive water swishing through the clothes.

Anyway, what I am saying is that I think the no-agitator "benefit" is reduced by the minimum watewr abrasion effect.

You can minmize all this by using a higher water water setting if you have it. Or a shorter cycle.
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Some of the new high end machines have a steam cycle, supposed to be even easier on your clothes while getting them cleaner too.
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Here are my thoughts as I have been thinking about this for a while. My wife washes clothes almost everyday.(kids) Anyway I have looked at it from every angle, and here is what I am thinking:
I am going to buy 2 washer and dryer stacks, not the new fancy front load, but the ones that are attached above each other.
The washer is 3.7 vs 4.3 so you don't lose much in load capacity, but by having 2 side by side she could be doing 2 loads at once.
So for the cost of a front loader set with pedistals, you could have a setup where you are able to wash 2 loads at a time.
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Interesting thread, need units for the new digs in Florida when I return in November, so you guys are a big help with the comments. I haven't done any more research than the fliers in the Sunday paper... So the pedistool is only so I don't have to bend over to load the machine, eh? I think I'll manage with the amount of laundry I have to do..
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Originally Posted by Afishinado View Post
Interesting thread, need units for the new digs in Florida when I return in November, so you guys are a big help with the comments. I haven't done any more research than the fliers in the Sunday paper... So the pedistool is only so I don't have to bend over to load the machine, eh? I think I'll manage with the amount of laundry I have to do..
Yea - these guys don't want to make the wives bend over - I don't get it.
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Here are my thoughts as I have been thinking about this for a while. My wife washes clothes almost everyday.(kids) Anyway I have looked at it from every angle, and here is what I am thinking:
I am going to buy 2 washer and dryer stacks, not the new fancy front load, but the ones that are attached above each other.
The washer is 3.7 vs 4.3 so you don't lose much in load capacity, but by having 2 side by side she could be doing 2 loads at once.
So for the cost of a front loader set with pedistals, you could have a setup where you are able to wash 2 loads at a time.
Good Idea

When we were designing our new kitchen I had room for 2 el cheapo 15 cu. ft. refridgerators - back then the cheap 15 foot jobs were 250 bucks or so everywhere: but if you wanted 23 Cu FT it was over a grand. So I figure was can get 2 15's put them side-by-side and have 30 ft for half the price of a 23. I would buy one left door and the other right so it would be effectively a side by side. I thought that would also look cool.

Wife said no one does that its stupid so we buy the $1000 23 ft model
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Some of the new high end machines have a steam cycle, supposed to be even easier on your clothes while getting them cleaner too.
I heard the same thing but then saw this - maybe other brands have better machines - most users seem disappointed - I like one comment - maybe wait till they get the "wrinkles" out of this technology

http://www.strangenewproducts.com/20...am-washer.html
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We have a newer set of LG front loaders. Our problem was similar to yours--the closet is barely big enough to fit them side by side.

We stacked them, and I don't really see why that would be a problem. I think it is actually more handy. If you have to repair the washer (which it so happens I did this weekend) it requires moving the dryer off the top, but this is probably easier than trying to get it out of a tight side by side fit.

And all the hoses, etc, are accessible in the back.



BTW, they are really quiet which is great.
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Thanks for all of the great comments. My wife has a problem with the drawers in the pedestals being too shallow to store detergent bottles and other stuff she would like to put in them. Plus, the drawers are so low it kind of defeats the objective of an instalation that is easier on the back. The idea of building a platform about 6" high appeals to my wife; I'm looking into it.
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