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Old 04-25-2010, 04:42 AM
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Multiple Pedestrians Ignore Dying New York Hero

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(April 24) -- A homeless man who was stabbed while saving a woman from a knife-wielding attacker lay dying in a pool of his own blood for more than an hour while several New Yorkers walked past without calling for help.

Surveillance video obtained by the New York Post shows that some passers-by paused to gawk at Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax early Sunday morning and yet kept on walking.

One man came out of a nearby building and took a cellphone photo of the victim before leaving. Another leaned over and vigorously shook the dead man before walking away. But most people never stopped.


Firefighters arrived more than an hour and 20 minutes after Tale-Yax collapsed. By that time, the 31-year-old was dead.

"They needed to help and call the police. I don't get it," resident Ramon Bellasco, 46, told the Post.

The incident happened at 7:21 a.m. almost a week ago at 88 Road and 144th Street in the borough of Queens, but police didn't have a clear idea of what happened until recently.

Tale-Yax is seen on the grainy video approaching a man who was threatening a woman with a knife. The man turned and stabbed Tale-Yax but most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision. Both the stabber and the woman then fled in different directions and Tale-Yax stumbled a few paces before collapsing face-down on the sidewalk.

Within a minute or so, the first of a long series of people begins walking by Tale-Yax without going to his aid.

Police told the Post they received four 911 calls at around the time of the attack reporting a woman screaming, but found nothing. They said they received no other 911 calls.

The incident is reminiscent of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese, also in Queens, in 1964. In that case, dozens of people witnessed some or all of the attack and yet no one did anything to stop it.

No arrests have been made in the latest slaying, and police have been unable to identify the woman Tale-Yax was trying to help.

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Makes you wonder if this is a cover up by the police to avoid bad press. They get calls of a woman screaming but no calls of someone in a pool of blood? Doesnt add up.
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everyday life in NYC
don't agree with it,,,,very unfortunate
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Sad.

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A good man down on his luck needlessly perishes because urban dwellers are a POS!
At least the ones that walked by without helping.
Including the woman.
Too bad a good old country boy tourist didn't walk by.
But then again, a GOB wouldn't be in NYC.
We can't let this kind of inhumane crap happen.
I sincerely hope a kink shows up in the 911 response and it's fixed.
This good man was a real person....

And yeah, stabbings happen everyday in NYC and everywhere else urban too.
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what's the old phrase i'm looking for? oh yeah.

"No good deed goes unpunished."
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I'm not saying what happened to this guy is OK, but in NYC you see seemingly homeless individuals lying on the ground all the time. Without a visible "pool of blood" he'd be just another guy passed out on the street.
Desensitized? Yup! But that's the sad part of life in the big city.
I feel bad cause all bums (As they used to be called) are not bad people.
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Lets review the facts as they've been reported;

1). Grainy video (and most likely no audio)

2). most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision

Who says the guy with the knife was definitely going to stab the woman? Who says the bum was going to help the woman. How do we know he wasn't drunk off his rocker and took on a guy with a knife? Sounds like she got away unscathed. Lots of conjecture in the reported story.

So what makes Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax a hero ? Because he got stabbed ?or because he, as a homeless bum, could have been drunk and stupid and took on a guy with a knife? or is it because nobody stopped to help him after he got shanked (NYC is it any surprise?) or is it because he was a homeless bum with a name that would suggest he is most likely in the country illegally ? or a combination of all of the above?



Have the standards for becoming a hero been lowered akin to the standards of winning a Nobel Peace Prize ?

Gimme a break. Menzies, it's no surprise you started this thread. Not for nothing and I've said it before but you have a morbid propensity for starting threads about people dying.

What's with that ?



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NYC--CPR= Get up or your gonna die.
Still wondering why so many of them move down here and do nothing but tell us how great it was back there.
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[quote=pbr streetgang;2933618]Lets review the facts as they've been reported;

1). Grainy video (and most likely no audio)

2). most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision

Who says the guy with the knife was definitely going to stab the woman? Who says the bum was going to help the woman. How do we know he wasn't drunk off his rocker and took on a guy with a knife? Sounds like she got away unscathed. Lots of conjecture in the reported story.

So what makes Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax a hero ? Because he got stabbed ?or because he, as a homeless bum, could have been drunk and stupid and took on a guy with a knife? or is it because nobody stopped to help him after he got shanked (NYC is it any surprise?) or is it because he was a homeless bum with a name that would suggest he is most likely in the country illegally ? or a combination of all of the above?



Have the standards for becoming a hero been lowered akin to the standards of winning a Nobel Peace Prize ?

Gimme a break. Menzies, it's no surprise you started this thread. Not for nothing and I've said it before but you have a morbid propensity for starting threads about people dying.

What's with that ?



X2, Very Well Said
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Its not just New York

(I joke about New Yorkers just like everybody else but I don't walk in their shoes....)

A few years back here a nut job in Middletown CT a child - 3 or 4 I don't remember was slowly stabbed to death in front of dozen onlookers by a nutjob from the local State Mental Health Hospital

Like in combat - you never know how YOU are going to react until it happens.....
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[quote=spraynet 1;2933697]
Originally Posted by pbr streetgang View Post
Lets review the facts as they've been reported;

1). Grainy video (and most likely no audio)

2). most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision

Who says the guy with the knife was definitely going to stab the woman? No one, it says she was being threatened with a knife.Who says the bum was going to help the woman. How do we know he wasn't drunk off his rocker and took on a guy with a knife? Sounds like she got away unscathed. Lots of conjecture in the reported story. Not nearly as much as in your analysis. The article describes him only as a "homeless man". You have surmised that he was also a bum, and drunk, stupid, and off his rocker, with absolutely no evidence. Last I heard, more than 50% of homeless males are veterans. There are also thousands of homeless men in NYC that sleep in shelters, and hold down steady jobs. It was 7:21 in the morning, maybe he was on his way to work.

So what makes Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax a hero ? Because he got stabbed ?or because he, as a homeless bum, could have been drunk and stupid and took on a guy with a knife? or is it because nobody stopped to help him after he got shanked (NYC is it any surprise?) or is it because he was a homeless bum with a name that would suggest he is most likely in the country illegally ?Can you even tell us what nationality Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax is, and why it suggests that he was an illegal immigrant? How about Ramon Bellasco, the witness, does he sound like an illegal, too? This is Queens, not a lot of Smiths and Jones here. or a combination of all of the above?



Have the standards for becoming a hero been lowered akin to the standards of winning a Nobel Peace Prize ?

Gimme a break. Menzies, it's no surprise you started this thread. Not for nothing and I've said it before but you have a morbid propensity for starting threads about people dying.

What's with that ?



X2, Very Well Said
You two don't have a clue. Your responses say more about your own lack of world experiences and prejudices than the article says about Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax.

Here is the exact same story with two words changed. Do you come to the same conclusions?

Multiple Pedestrians Ignore Dying New York Hero

Updated: 13 hours 35 minutes ago

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(April 24) -- An off-duty firefighter who was stabbed while saving a woman from a knife-wielding attacker lay dying in a pool of his own blood for more than an hour while several New Yorkers walked past without calling for help.

Surveillance video obtained by the New York Post shows that some passers-by paused to gawk at Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax early Sunday morning and yet kept on walking.

One man came out of a nearby building and took a cellphone photo of the victim before leaving. Another leaned over and vigorously shook the dead man before walking away. But most people never stopped.


Firefighters arrived more than an hour and 20 minutes after Tale-Yax collapsed. By that time, the 31-year-old was dead.

"They needed to help and call the police. I don't get it," resident Ramon Bellasco, 46, told the Post.

The incident happened at 7:21 a.m. almost a week ago at 88 Road and 144th Street in the borough of Queens, but police didn't have a clear idea of what happened until recently.

Tale-Yax is seen on the grainy video approaching a man who was threatening a woman with a knife. The man turned and stabbed Tale-Yax but most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision. Both the stabber and the woman then fled in different directions and Tale-Yax stumbled a few paces before collapsing face-down on the sidewalk.

Within a minute or so, the first of a long series of people begins walking by Tale-Yax without going to his aid.

Police told the Post they received four 911 calls at around the time of the attack reporting a woman screaming, but found nothing. They said they received no other 911 calls.

The incident is reminiscent of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese, also in Queens, in 1964. In that case, dozens of people witnessed some or all of the attack and yet no one did anything to stop it.

No arrests have been made in the latest slaying, and police have been unable to identify the woman Tale-Yax was trying to help.

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I had the misfortune to have worked in that chithole for a few years, i worked on the tunnels from NJ to Manhattan, my shift started at 12am friday and ended 4am monday, the first time i worked there i was sitting in Penn Station waiting for my train back to Metro Park when i heard a series of loud bangs followed by loud screams, as the sounds came closer to where i was sitting i realized what it was, 4 transit cops using their night sticks hitting the homeless people in the shins while they were sleeping on the benches, this was their way of telling them to leave the station, that was in the late 70's but i can remember it like it was yesterday.
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4 transit cops using their night sticks hitting the homeless people in the shins while they were sleeping on the benches, this was their way of telling them to leave the station, .

Something wrong with that ?



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You two don't have a clue. Your responses say more about your own lack of world experiences and prejudices than the article says about Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax.

Here is the exact same story with two words changed. Do you come to the same conclusions?

Multiple Pedestrians Ignore Dying New York Hero

Updated: 13 hours 35 minutes ago

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(April 24) -- An off-duty firefighter who was stabbed while saving a woman from a knife-wielding attacker lay dying in a pool of his own blood for more than an hour while several New Yorkers walked past without calling for help.

Surveillance video obtained by the New York Post shows that some passers-by paused to gawk at Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax early Sunday morning and yet kept on walking.

One man came out of a nearby building and took a cellphone photo of the victim before leaving. Another leaned over and vigorously shook the dead man before walking away. But most people never stopped.


Firefighters arrived more than an hour and 20 minutes after Tale-Yax collapsed. By that time, the 31-year-old was dead.

"They needed to help and call the police. I don't get it," resident Ramon Bellasco, 46, told the Post.

The incident happened at 7:21 a.m. almost a week ago at 88 Road and 144th Street in the borough of Queens, but police didn't have a clear idea of what happened until recently.

Tale-Yax is seen on the grainy video approaching a man who was threatening a woman with a knife. The man turned and stabbed Tale-Yax but most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision. Both the stabber and the woman then fled in different directions and Tale-Yax stumbled a few paces before collapsing face-down on the sidewalk.

Within a minute or so, the first of a long series of people begins walking by Tale-Yax without going to his aid.

Police told the Post they received four 911 calls at around the time of the attack reporting a woman screaming, but found nothing. They said they received no other 911 calls.

The incident is reminiscent of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese, also in Queens, in 1964. In that case, dozens of people witnessed some or all of the attack and yet no one did anything to stop it.

No arrests have been made in the latest slaying, and police have been unable to identify the woman Tale-Yax was trying to help.

Yup.



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So let me get this story straight.
An off duty fireman posing as a homeless man.
GEEEEEEESH no wonder you can't believe anything you read now-a-days.
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No matter if the guy was homeless or a bum, he went to the aid of a woman being threatened with a knife and paid the ultimate price for his bravery. The sad part is if he was homeless I am sure he has dealt with people mis treating him and ignoring him on a daily basis yet he still felt moved to react and come to the aid of a fellow human being in my book that makes him a hero and as he lay dying on the ground noone could be bothered to react and get help. Unfortunately it speaks volumes about todays society.
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