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Old 02-15-2010, 04:04 PM
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I think I missed another one.......... I believe there was a accidental discarge of a shotgun in a house by the owners friend. Blew some wood off the sofa arm rest and into the wall. Evryone has guns around here.
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
I think I missed another one.......... I believe there was a accidental discarge of a shotgun in a house by the owners friend. Blew some wood off the sofa arm rest and into the wall. Evryone has guns around here.
sounds to me like you all have to much mercury in the well
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
I think I missed another one.......... I believe there was a accidental discarge of a shotgun in a house by the owners friend. Blew some wood off the sofa arm rest and into the wall. Evryone has guns around here.
No such thing as an "accidental discharge" unless it's a malfunction of the weapon, which is rare. (i.e. slam fire)
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Originally Posted by kurttruk View Post
sounds to me like you all have to much mercury in the well
or not enough.
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
No such thing as an "accidental discharge" unless it's a malfunction of the weapon, which is rare. (i.e. slam fire)
Since I was told it was accidental, I am repeating it that way. I'm sure my friend didn't mean to miss me by a inch when I was five and he was six. We were probably just checking out the rifle. seeing if we could see down the barrel and cool stuff like that. The last remberence post... I'm sure someone wasn't trying to shoot the wood off the armrest and have bird shot rip into the wall.. I'm sure it was accidental.
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Get the fuck out of my house.

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Most homeowners here do not have firearms,the ones who do are usually in law enforcement. We do have a few exceptions:

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punew...041222314.html

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Well??? My father was USMC, NYPD and my sister has broken glass and doors to get into the house. She and her friend which was a good probable to be my girlfriend also broke into my bedroom at 1:00am to get to her bedroom without waking my father. I guess If it could happen in my family it could happen in any family.
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Since I was told it was accidental, I am repeating it that way. I'm sure my friend didn't mean to miss me by a inch when I was five and he was six. We were probably just checking out the rifle. seeing if we could see down the barrel and cool stuff like that. The last remberence post... I'm sure someone wasn't trying to shoot the wood off the armrest and have bird shot rip into the wall.. I'm sure it was accidental.
AHH... The devil is in the details. Please do tell.
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WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW - THANKS for all the great input! I read EVERY post!

First - and having nothing to do with my ORIGINAL post ...

1. There are NO children in the home - just the wife and I. My son (33) and daughter (29) both live in the area, but would NEVER try to get in without knocking, ringing the doorbell, or calling from their cell phone FIRST. They KNOW I have guns, and that they would face the issue if they did something stupid to try and get in the house by other than "normal" means! If the wife gets up for a late nite snack (downstairs), I will know. If she gets up for a bathroom break (same floor), I will know. If it's the middle of the nite and we are in bed, I will assume a home invasion or a burglary attempt - EITHER will get an IMMEDIATE response from me! There is VERY little, if any, chance of an "accidential" shooting of a family member.

2. "Home invasions" (in VA) can be met with "deadly force" - PERIOD! If the door gets "kicked in", I WILL use deadly force, without ANY hesitation! "Burglaries" are another thing - the use of deadly force to protect personnal property ("inside" OR "outside") is ILLEGAL in VA. If they have your TV in their hands and try to THROW it at you, you CAN use deadly force, as you MAY be "in fear of your life" because they have, in essence, "attacked" you. A burgulary CAN "escalate" to attempted or outright MURDER - the motives will not be know until it actually "happens". Females (in VA) have a "lesser" burden of proof in order to use deadly force, such as if they feel they may be raped, as an example.

3. I will NOT be a victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nor will I give up my RIGHT to protect my life and the lives of my family and loved ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will NOT live in the fear that I may harm a family member just because I own or am willing to use a gun under certain circumstances! The world is a MUCH different place than when I was growing up, and I often don't like what I see. No - NOT paranoid, just REALISTIC!

"Boatmanalso" - not sure why you feel the way you do and I question your "attitude" concerning the statements, general advice, and info that "Cracker" and the other LEO-types have shared? They DO have the knowledge of what the "stats" REALLY are!

"Cracker" - THANK YOU for your input and I consider it "right on", as usual! Same with you other LEO folks - I appreciate the input from those who have experienced the "problems" first-hand!

Now, I will take all the great info into account and run with it - I feel the "870" is DEFINITELY the right pick! Just got to decide on the 12 or 20ga., look at the "options" on the correct ammo for the purpose, and will probably go with the "short" barrel. Then, it's on to the RANGE to look at the patterns and PRACTICE!

Thanks again to ALL!

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Originally Posted by Afishinado View Post
870 Is a great choice, have hunted with the same one since the 60's (won in a trap shoot contest in high school). I promise you at close range the 20ga will do all the damage you need! It is still fresh in my mind back when I was 10 years old and a bit disappointed that dad had chosen a .410 bolt action for me as my first gun (he was big into rabbit hunting with a couple beagles). He laid an old piece of 2x4 against a tree and had me shoot it, I was sold.
BTW; As I grew older, I went through a bunch of shotguns and my final gun of choice for rabbit hunting is a double barrel .410 with #6 shot... Nice'n'light, with enough juice to do the job without blowing the thing to simitherines.

Oh, for your use, I'd want the shortest barrel available
Speaking of beagles, a friend of mine gave me two good ones a couple months ago. Been having a ball hunting them. Been using an 11-87 12 ga., but it's too heavy lugging around rabbit hunting. Wanting to get an ultra-lite 20 ga auto with a strap.

As far as home defense, you can't go wrong with the 870.
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Kids in house and guns are a bad mix. Had an accidental shooting death in my neighborhood at Christmas 5 or 6 years ago. Kid shot a friend over visiting.

Have a co-worker who had a High School classmate shoot and kill his sister that he thought was an intruder. Dark hall, adrenaline, bang.. lives ruined and lost.

Kid in my school took himself out with a shotgun when I was 15 or 16.

I'm aware of these, and have guns in my house. Got kids too. Guns stay locked up, so not going to be of instant defensive use to me. If I carry it comes out of my safe, goes back in when I get home.

The NH family murders probably would not have been stopped by defensive guns form what I read. Mom was asleep during the attack.

With this knowledge, I'm still better off with guns loaded in my safe than none at all. But as long as kids are around, I agree, the fear of an accidental shooting by a kid in the house outweigh the fear of a home invasion. I don't worry about my kids, but there are always others in my home.

With that, I will likely get a shotgun as well. I think they make a great home defense weapon. I know guys with high powered rifles for HD, and I wonder what good those will be. You'll shoot through your target and kill a neighbor with them.
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BruceW, I say what I do because I have lived my whole life around guns and people in the house that others may or may not know who is who. I can see how some gun slinging yahoo could easily have shot someone in my house. I am aware of accidental shootings and near misses. Guns are not toys. They are not a piece of a househould like the front doorbell. Having a gun in the house is the homeowners bigggest responcability. Cracker implied he was special ,supported by all his statements and that as a cop he has been to many cop related sceens and that he was even a victim of a gun shooting. That is his occupation, that is what he is supposed to be doing. The general public is paying him alot of money to do that. I am not a cop but I am a near miss acciudental shooting victim by another cops son so guns and cops appearantly mean nothing for safe gun handling in the home.( maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to have guns like in England Bobbies) I also know of other accendental shooting which people seam to imply is extreme. It happens, I know it and lived it and others were not as lucky as me. All you people are talking in a irresponsable manor which in my judgement due to real life experience is going to lead to a accidental shooting of a family memeber or another innocent person. Even if it ends up being some new reader in ten years from now. Accidental shootings are real, it happens and it happens all over and to people you would never expect it from.
See here is a link to all the accidental shooting stories which seem to happen on a daily basis.
http://www.google.com/search?q=accid...e7&rlz=1I7SUNA
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Originally Posted by GWcpa View Post
Kids in house and guns are a bad mix. Had an accidental shooting death in my neighborhood at Christmas 5 or 6 years ago. Kid shot a friend over visiting.

Have a co-worker who had a High School classmate shoot and kill his sister that he thought was an intruder. Dark hall, adrenaline, bang.. lives ruined and lost.

Kid in my school took himself out with a shotgun when I was 15 or 16.

I'm aware of these, and have guns in my house. Got kids too. Guns stay locked up, so not going to be of instant defensive use to me. If I carry it comes out of my safe, goes back in when I get home.

The NH family murders probably would not have been stopped by defensive guns form what I read. Mom was asleep during the attack.

With this knowledge, I'm still better off with guns loaded in my safe than none at all. But as long as kids are around, I agree, the fear of an accidental shooting by a kid in the house outweigh the fear of a home invasion. I don't worry about my kids, but there are always others in my home.

With that, I will likely get a shotgun as well. I think they make a great home defense weapon. I know guys with high powered rifles for HD, and I wonder what good those will be. You'll shoot through your target and kill a neighbor with them.
Everyone should have the right to own guns if they are responsable. It must be the way the law is writtin that is making some sound like they should be the last peoiple to own guns.
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BruceW,
Be sure and run some shells through whichever 870 you buy. I bought an 870 slug gun in October and I have only shot it a few times (never did get a deer this year Dang Gummit) but I am not happy with how it is ejecting shells. I am going to shoot it more and see if I can get it broke in more. They were hanging some and I dont know if it was the slugs or the operator but I was using cheaper slugs so I am leaning toward that..
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I have seen the light. Your right I love google too

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...e3f52f60dbe4ac

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." Plato
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I have seen the light. Your right I love google too

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...e3f52f60dbe4ac

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." Plato
You have seen the light as in You are appologizing to me?? Did you read the frequencies of the stories?

The very first story... Man blows away man yelling in yard. What was he yelling??? ANYONE GOT SOME JACK DANIALS???? HEY YOU IN THIS HOUSE GOT A DRINK FOR ME???? ooops I broke your glass door banginging on it..

"Jones' blood-alcohol content was at more than four times the legal limit"

We don't shoot people who live next door who are drunk around here. We party with them....

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You have seen the light as in You are appologizing to me?? Did you read the frequencies of the stories?

The very first story... Man blows away man yelling in yard. What was he yelling??? ANYONE GOT SOME JACK DANIALS???? HEY YOU IN THIS HOUSE GOT A DRINK FOR ME???? ooops I broke your glass door banginging on it..

"Jones' blood-alcohol content was at more than four times the legal limit"

We don't shoot people who live next door who are drunk around here. We party with them....

Appenantly Jones was depressed about his dads recent death and he was a freind of a local resident who he had been with just moments before.


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Jones' sister, Margaret Jones, said he had been depressed and was drinking because Friday was their late father's birthday.
Jones was in a vehicle with a friend, Joe Harper, but when Jones became violent, the friend dropped him off near the Hoover home, the news release said.
Harper lived in the area, and Margaret Jones said she believes her brother thought he was at Harper's house when he was banging on the Hoovers' door."

Not sure if that is really a great reason to blow someone away.
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Appenantly Jones was depressed about his dads recent death and he was a freind of a local resident who he had been with just moments before.


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Jones' sister, Margaret Jones, said he had been depressed and was drinking because Friday was their late father's birthday.
Jones was in a vehicle with a friend, Joe Harper, but when Jones became violent, the friend dropped him off near the Hoover home, the news release said.
Harper lived in the area, and Margaret Jones said she believes her brother thought he was at Harper's house when he was banging on the Hoovers' door."

Not sure if that is really a great reason to blow someone away.

I just want to throw some logic into this. What does this have to do with me? With how I act or how I handle a firearm? HINT: NOTHING Why dont you post all the sad stories of families wrecked by booze? SHould that indicate you shouldnt have a glass of Chianti at Olive Garden?
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I am starting to think that anti gun people don't know about Darwinism. Could it be that doing stupid things can sometimes lead to death? Looking down the barrel of any gun is stupid. Not double checking a gun when handling and cleaning is stupid. Not treating every gun like it is loaded and always pointing it in a safe direction is stupid. Shooting at a kid that is probably less than 5 ft. tall in a dark hallway is stupid unless there is a gang of ruthless midgets in your town. Banging on any door in the middle of the night without identifying yourself and purpose is stupid. We have enough stupid people on the planet. Why does our government and a few others insist on trying to protect them from themselves?

To the origional post: I would buy a 12 ga. just because it throws more lead and patterns better. You will be afraid for our life if you have to pull it out in the middle of the night. Not affraid of the recoil.
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