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Old 02-15-2010, 11:09 AM
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Pump action shotgun is a good choice for home defense.

I would choose the shorter barrel if it is only for home use. Shorter barrel is easier to manover it tight space, ie hallways.

If you are going to use a gun for protection, get used to shooting it. Be prepared to kill an intruder. If you have any doubt don't get it.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
Pretty much so. The only intruders in my house ended up being my kids or their friends... OOOOPS Mr and Mrs XXX. I blew your daughter head off. I didn't know she was sneaking in to fool around with my son in bed.....How many intruders do you get in a lifetime? 1 in 10,000 is undesireable????? Thats a awefull lot of kids in the wrong place!

Are you people really anti gun protesters trytng to make gun owners look like idiots? No real gun owner would be so stupid!
If your blowing away your kids or your neighbors then you are not a very responsible gun owner.

Recently there was a 1 in 10,000 in NH. The teenagers that broke in hacked the family to death for fun.

Nothing against owning guns?? yeah right. go post where someone gives a shit about what you have to say.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:11 AM
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a. vent rib vs. smooth barrel .....doesn't matter, you won't be using the sights anyway. think of pointing a shotgun like pointing your finger.

b. recoil isn't an issue. not only will you probably not have the stock up to your shoulder anyway, but the adrenaline is going to make you impervious to any supposed discomfort...which is minimal anyway.

c. first round, bird shot with which to sting and maybe blind the intruder. tiny pellets don't go through walls in case others are in the house. chances of a couple pettets hitting the mark are high.

d. the shorter the barrel, the wider the dispersion of shot. shorter is better for your purposes.

e. modified is better than Full choke for the same dispersion purposes.

f. the caveat to a novice having a loaded gun in the house is lack of practice and experience. If you have the gun loaded, don't leave a round in the chamber for two reasons....those that find the gun and think it's not loaded...and racking the pump is what you want to do first, anyway.

g. if the gun goes to Safety automatically upon racking (like a side by side) then you must somehow remember to take the safety off. Otherwise you'll be standing there trying to bend that danged trigger that won't move.

h. the butt pad isn't a big deal. get the best price you can find...even go to pawn shops/gun shops for used. They don't wear out.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:12 AM
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There is a very easy to make sure no family members get shot - make sure the gun is available only to you and the number one rule - BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Seems like an old thread here talked about the whys of #4 Buckshot - but for gun and ammo I defer to the pros like cracker...
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by debugger View Post
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I wouldn't want to watch my wife getting raped, or worse, because I didn't have a weapon or was never trained to use one. Guns for me are a sport, a hobby, and a recreational passtime. It just so happens that they make a wonderful device for defending oneself as well.

Not quite sure what you mean with your last statement.

"Are you people really anti gun protesters trytng to make gun owners look like idiots? No real gun owner would be so stupid!"

"Not quite sure what you mean with your last statement."

From my experience people who talk like that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. People like you give people who are responsable gun owners a bad name( hence ,are you really a anti gun advocate) . People like you mislead responsable usage of guns to new or novice gun owners. You also may be giving ideas to mentaly challenged people about possable usage for guns. I'd say you are being totally irresponsable and hindering the safe handling of guns.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
There is a very easy to make sure no family members get shot - make sure the gun is available only to you and the number one rule - BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Seems like an old thread here talked about the whys of #4 Buckshot - but for gun and ammo I defer to the pros like cracker...
I agree but it is often easier said then done.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
If your blowing away your kids or your neighbors then you are not a very responsible gun owner.

Recently there was a 1 in 10,000 in NH. The teenagers that broke in hacked the family to death for fun.

Nothing against owning guns?? yeah right. go post where someone gives a shit about what you have to say.
Another fruit cake type responce

Why isn't anyone posting information about accidental shooting of a family member. probably happens alot more than 1 in 10,000. OOOOPs but that don't make the news does it... that gets swept under the rug and goes hush hush....
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:34 AM
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With all due respect, boatmanalso, the OP asked about what type of shotgun. I read nothing about whether it's appropriate or authorized by the anti-gun crowd.

There seems to be absolutely nothing served by an anti-gun person chiming it....but ask yourself what the ratio is of home invasion assaults vs. accidental shootings? 100:1? 1000:1? 10,000:1?
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
"Not quite sure what you mean with your last statement."

From my experience people who talk like that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. People like you give people who are responsable gun owners a bad name( hence ,are you really a anti gun advocate) . People like you mislead responsable usage of guns to new or novice gun owners. You also may be giving ideas to mentaly challenged people about possable usage for guns. I'd say you are being totally irresponsable and hindering the safe handling of guns.
When you say.. "people like you" are you referring specifically to me, or is that a general "You"?
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by debugger View Post
When you say.. "people like you" are you referring specifically to me, or is that a general "You"?
That would be for people in general who speek as you are. You all seem to forget there are more accidental shootings of family memebers than there are for threatening intruders.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
Another fruit cake type responce

Why isn't anyone posting information about accidental shooting of a family member. probably happens alot more than 1 in 10,000. OOOOPs but that don't make the news does it... that gets swept under the rug and goes hush hush....
What part is fruit cake? The part about a family being hacked up this past year or the part about posting in a thread where someone gives a shit about what you have to say. the OP isn't asking about gun safety or statistics on home invasions.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:47 AM
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Anything wrong with a slug gun ?
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:50 AM
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Im going to add my 2 cents into the hat. Relying on the "sound" of a shotgun being racked is unwise, and can get you killed. Pump action shotguns do jam, ask any LEO that has trained extensively with them. (short stroking under pressure is a MAJOR issue)

I would suggest that good training and lots of practice is what will save your life in the unlikely event you HAVE to employ a shotgun in your defense. The drilling and familarity with the weapon will be most important, not what weapon it is. It will be a high pressure situation, most likely a "shoot, no shoot" circumstance. A 20 Gauge special field 870 will work just as well as a 870 12GA Police. The admiral is trained in the use of her 20GA (low recoil) and is deadly with it.


In a home environment, overpenetration, blind spots, shooting lanes etc. all become very important. Get some training no matter what weap you choose and practice, practice, practice. Dont be lured in by " you cant miss with a short barrel shotty" YOU CAN.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA View Post
What part is fruit cake? The part about a family being hacked up this past year or the part about posting in a thread where someone gives a shit about what you have to say. the OP isn't asking about gun safety or statistics on home invasions.

You are correct so somebody ought to bring it up. Some novice may be mislead about shot guns and home protection and that would be irresponsable. Don't you think so?
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
With all due respect, boatmanalso, the OP asked about what type of shotgun. I read nothing about whether it's appropriate or authorized by the anti-gun crowd.

There seems to be absolutely nothing served by an anti-gun person chiming it....but ask yourself what the ratio is of home invasion assaults vs. accidental shootings? 100:1? 1000:1? 10,000:1?

How about, what is the ratio of accidental shootings by a family member to,,, I'm glad I pulled the trigger to ,wished they never owned a gun??
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
"Not quite sure what you mean with your last statement."

From my experience people who talk like that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. People like you give people who are responsable gun owners a bad name( hence ,are you really a anti gun advocate) . People like you mislead responsable usage of guns to new or novice gun owners. You also may be giving ideas to mentaly challenged people about possable usage for guns. I'd say you are being totally irresponsable and hindering the safe handling of guns.
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That would be for people in general who speek as you are. You all seem to forget there are more accidental shootings of family memebers than there are for threatening intruders.
So what exactly did I say that dropped me into the category of irresponsable gun owner? I have trained many beginners on the safe handling of weapons. I would consider myself an expert.
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:04 PM
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We have a dog, a 44 mag, a 9mm, and a Mossberg pistol grip w/combat grips. The Dog doesn't bark at people he knows. So i guess Boatmanalso if If I hear a noise and the dog is going nuts it better not be you in my hallway in the middle of the night
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We have a dog, a 44 mag, a 9mm, and a Mossberg pistol grip w/combat grips. The Dog doesn't bark at people he knows. So i guess Boatmanalso if If I hear a noise and the dog is going nuts it better not be you in my hallway in the middle of the night
Lets hope its not your 15 year old sons new girlfriend sneeking in to fool around in bed with him either.
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by boatmanalso View Post
I have nothing against people owning firearms but you need nto ask what weapon for self defence??? Just ask yourself what gun you would really be happy shooting a family memebr with... would you rather take a body out of your home missing a head or maybe just half the head missing?
Well, since you put it that way, I would recommend the OP get a 10 gauge. Should be much easier to blow a family members' head off with a 10 gauge rather than a 20 gauge
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:19 PM
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I respectfully disagree - it is usually fairly easy to be sure of your target. I never saw a friendly fire accident although we had weapons loaded and rounds chambered all the time and I am sure the number one reason is we would only shoot if 1- we were fired on and 2 we recognized the movement as an enemy target - AND we were in free fire zones and were allowed to shoot at any movement away from our position. You never know when 2nd platoon is offcourse or your kids friends are someone in your family is in the house.

In a home you could shout out, turn on llghts or as in our case leave some lights on all the time. I would never shoot at a noise.

I have heard friends say well in THAT kind of hunting well accidents happen. Well, They don't if you are sure of your target.

I mean the only possible situation I can think where you wouldnt have time to identify is when someone unheard busts into your bedroom - but you aint gonna have the gun ready anyway. Then - well he is either a shooter or he isn't. If he is you are done. if he isn't then you may have some options. Nice to have that gun nearby and reday so you have some options....

Hope no one ever has to find out.
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