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Old 02-08-2010, 02:02 PM
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Looking at buying some used skis and I know bindings can be a little dicey. I know shops will not adjust or tune if they are on the binding imdemnification list. How does this list work? If I dont know what year the bindings were built am I out of luck? I know there are risks with used binding but there are some great deals on used equipment. Advise? Suggestions from a ski shop guru?
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bindings are easy to adjust by yourself. i see people skiing with 20 + year old skis and bindings all the time.
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all bindings 3+ years old most shops will not touch there were way to many lawsuits.You can adjust them your self get the numbers and adjust for your weight and ablitiy. Make sure there is no rust on them or toss them
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Where are you located? You may find a used pair from someone local to you.
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get the new twin tip skiies used..there awesome ofr every type of skiier..

also call around to the ski shops close to the mountains and ask for used skiies..

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adjusting bindings really is easy. however what i have done a few times is buy used skiis and then get new bindings........no worries.
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I am looking at some atomic 190cm slalom type ski with Marker M41 bindings on ebay. They look in pretty good shape considering i will only use them 3-5 times a year. I am in the flat state of DE so not many local shops in the area. Most skiing in Poconos with a trip to VT on occasion. Groomed ice and crappier conditions.
I looked up my DIN and came up with a 6.5..I am a pretty big dude and its been some years since the kids came along and I have been skiing. Looking to get back on the slopes after a long hiatus and bring the kids and missus along.
Maybe I will roll the dice here and pick out a set.
Thx 4 the replies.
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My Olins are 30 years old. I bet they have been used less than 30 times. They are in no way worn out. They will work as good today as back when I bought them.
When I took my son, years ago for his first trip, I lubed them well, put the boot in each binding and forced the boot out in every direction multiple times to be sure they would release. I would rather them release early then be too tight and break or twist a body part.

Google a skiing forum and ask around.
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I gave up sking for a 120 MPH snowmobile. It has 2 skis, a track, smokes, makes noise, pisses off liberals, tree huggers and X country skiers.
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Originally Posted by starmonk View Post
I am looking at some atomic 190cm slalom type ski with Marker M41 bindings on ebay. They look in pretty good shape considering i will only use them 3-5 times a year. I am in the flat state of DE so not many local shops in the area. Most skiing in Poconos with a trip to VT on occasion. Groomed ice and crappier conditions.
I looked up my DIN and came up with a 6.5..I am a pretty big dude and its been some years since the kids came along and I have been skiing. Looking to get back on the slopes after a long hiatus and bring the kids and missus along.
Maybe I will roll the dice here and pick out a set.
Thx 4 the replies.
Forgive me, but buying those would be a major bad move. I speak with some experience having enjoyed the sport for 30 years. Modern shaped skis are so far superior to older designs that it is counterproductive to your skiing enjoyment to consider old ones. In addition, the latest bindings offer far more protection against knee injury which has ended the sport for many as age catches up with us.

If you ski only 3-5 times per year, you will be much better off to rent demo skis. That will run about $30-$35 per day. You will get top quality skis. You will not have to pay to tune them or wax them as you would if you own them. You will always be skiing on the latest and greatest. You will get to try different brands and models. Take a lesson or two to learn how to get the most out of the new skiis.

Do buy your own ski boots and poles. Boot fit is very important, and that is best achieved by investing in your own pair.
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Forgive me, but buying those would be a major bad move. I speak with some experience having enjoyed the sport for 30 years. Modern shaped skis are so far superior to older designs that it is counterproductive to your skiing enjoyment to consider old ones. In addition, the latest bindings offer far more protection against knee injury which has ended the sport for many as age catches up with us.

If you ski only 3-5 times per year, you will be much better off to rent demo skis. That will run about $30-$35 per day. You will get top quality skis. You will not have to pay to tune them or wax them as you would if you own them. You will always be skiing on the latest and greatest. You will get to try different brands and models. Take a lesson or two to learn how to get the most out of the new skiis.

Do buy your own ski boots and poles. Boot fit is very important, and that is best achieved by investing in your own pair.
Solid advise. However have you checked e-bay lately? It is loaded with 3, 4, 5 year old modern shaped skis. Lots of them are probably demos from a few years ago. Some are just folks who decide they dont use them enough to justify the space they inhabit. Some actually new but leftover from prior years. The prices are a third or less cheaper than new. i am not looking to make a fashion statement with new unscratched equipment that would cost > $1000 for skis boots bindings poles. They will get scratched up when i use them anyway.
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itwonder,
What type of binding do they use on rentals now a days?
When I rented years ago they were not step ins.
The bindings attached to a metal plate that was on the bottom of the rental boots.
Do they even use that type anymore?
Just thinking of personal boots and rental skis. Maybe they have step ins now for rentals.
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240, From my experience looking at the newer equipment and the tons of rentals that are for sale on the web bindings made today are made to flex with the ski. There is no solid base anymore. And all the models I have seen are step in type.
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itwonder is right on. technology changes every year. Traveling with skiis is a PIA. I wouldnt own my own skiis unless I lived in Colorado, Utah or Cali.

I do however own my own boots and poles. They are perfect. They are as comfy as my golf spikes and I can wear them all day. I hit a Christys spring tent sale and walked around for three hours in the boots before purchase. Drove my B.I.L. nuts!

Rent demo skiis and you are always sliding on the latest and greatest. And usually with your demo rental you get a kids set up free.

Side note* Always rent your gear on the mountain, never down-mountain in town. It's worth the extra pesos to switch up gear if the conditions change etc etc.
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Skis have changed a lot just in the last 5 years and continue to change rapidly. Judging by the questions you are asking you do not want Atomic Slalom skis and certainly not in any length approaching 190cm.

Listen to the advice you are getting about renting and go try some different gear out. I don't know if you play tennis or golf but the changes to ski equipment have had an even bigger effect on skiing than those sports.

I dragged my old body out on 1/2/10 and have now skied in 6 different decades. I can count 12 States and Provinces and pretty much every uphill conveyance you can think of and if I was getting on a plane to go skiing right now I would pack my boots and rent the rest.
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Ooops.. I meant the changes to golf and tennis equipment have not changed those sports as much as new ski equipment has changed skiing.....
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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
itwonder,
What type of binding do they use on rentals now a days?
When I rented years ago they were not step ins.
The bindings attached to a metal plate that was on the bottom of the rental boots.
Do they even use that type anymore?
Just thinking of personal boots and rental skis. Maybe they have step ins now for rentals.

So, you're saying the last time you rented skis was 1979???

I think Besser Bindings (the company that made the metal plates style you mention) went out of business before 1980....
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itwonder.....very good advice.
my experience is ive been skiing for 50 years and snowboarding for 34. including a six year stint as an employee at snowbird in utah. there is a HUGE difference between "rental" skis and "demo" skis. before i buy new skis or snowboards i always demo a ton of different models. usually you can pay once and trade off during the day. NO commitment to buy. this is a great way to get on the newest most up to date safe equipment for short money.....i.ve done it a lot...often just for the fun of it.
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Originally Posted by starmonk View Post
I am looking at some atomic 190cm slalom type ski with Marker M41 bindings on ebay. They look in pretty good shape considering i will only use them 3-5 times a year. I am in the flat state of DE so not many local shops in the area. Most skiing in Poconos with a trip to VT on occasion. Groomed ice and crappier conditions.
I looked up my DIN and came up with a 6.5..I am a pretty big dude and its been some years since the kids came along and I have been skiing. Looking to get back on the slopes after a long hiatus and bring the kids and missus along.
Maybe I will roll the dice here and pick out a set.
Thx 4 the replies.

If your DIN is only a 6.5 you're not really that big a dude!

The Marker M41 was a good binding, but could be as old as 10 yrs, as i think they've been making them since atleast 2000 (if not earlier). I would guess some shops would work on them (MAYBE), but you should be able to adjust yourself...just make sure you get the DIN setting AND the forward pressure setting both right (right DIN with wrong fwd pressure = problems)

Now with that said, I think you are crazy to buy a pair of old-style, non-shaped skis. The advances in shaped skis over the past decade are immense, and buying a "traditional" ski today to use is like buying an old wooden racket to play tennis. sure, you can use it, but you are making it WAY to hard on yourself. Do a little homework, and buy a 2 or 3 yr old good all-mountain shaped ski in about a 170-175, and you will be glad you did. If you shop around, im sure you can find a few for short money. see below a few ideas from fleabay (not sure your price range, but these are pretty low-priced, imho......and one is near you). craiglist is a good source, too, however a bit harder to seach for the "right" pair, imho

http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-K2-Apache-S...item5d27f33a4f

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rossignol-Bandit...item56396fc1d9

http://cgi.ebay.com/177-cm-Head-C120...item2558920507
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So, you're saying the last time you rented skis was 1979???

I think Besser Bindings (the company that made the metal plates style you mention) went out of business before 1980....


That's right.
When we (all my friends that raced moto-cross had to have something to do in the winter) started to get more into skiing and we knew we were going to Killington, for a week long trips as well as skiing locally we bought our equipment and never went back into the rental shop again.
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