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Old 01-25-2010, 07:24 PM
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Something about the census does not sit well with me. I may very well be wrong and am actually hoping I am, but.

Can't they tell how many people liv in a state, county, city, town, simply by looking at tax returns? They can also get household income from the same sheet of paper, no?

Sure the illegals would not show up but then again they should not be here anyway, no?

I am sure I am wrong, please be kind and point out my short comings.
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If the government can spout statistics about anything they want when on the campaign trail why do they need the census to tell them anything?
If they don't like the truth they will just spin it to suit what they want it to say anyway.

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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
Something about the census does not sit well with me. I may very well be wrong and am actually hoping I am, but.

Can't they tell how many people liv in a state, county, city, town, simply by looking at tax returns? They can also get household income from the same sheet of paper, no?

Sure the illegals would not show up but then again they should not be here anyway, no?

I am sure I am wrong, please be kind and point out my short comings.
Yes, and you wouldn't have to count those pesky women that sit at home and care for children (which you apparently shouldn't count, either). They should get jobs, the lazy slobs.

Disabled Vets? Screw em. Granny in a nursing home? Whatever. No W-2, no count. Right?

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Old 01-25-2010, 08:43 PM
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In other words not everyone files a tax return.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:55 PM
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All they need to know is the number of people at the residence. The rest of the questions and the American Community Survey (old long form census) are BS.

Nobody was prosecuted for ignoring the 2000 Census in spite of all their threats. I hope more people ignore it now.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:44 PM
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For just the head count wouldn't the most accurate count be just to add up active SS#'s??
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Yes, and you wouldn't have to count those pesky women that sit at home and care for children (which you apparently shouldn't count, either). They should get jobs, the lazy slobs.

Disabled Vets? Screw em. Granny in a nursing home? Whatever. No W-2, no count. Right?

Thanks for being up front, however the pesky women that sit home would be a dependant on someone's tax form, no?

Disabled vets get some sort of check, and Granny get something from SS, so they can be counted, no?

Not being a smart ass just thinking the census is a waste of time.

But still I may be wrong.
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Maybe they are hoping for another Messiah to appear one of these decades.
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
All they need to know is the number of people at the residence. The rest of the questions and the American Community Survey (old long form census) are BS.

Nobody was prosecuted for ignoring the 2000 Census in spite of all their threats. I hope more people ignore it now.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:03 AM
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Lots of businesses use census data to determine business plans, advertising campaigns, etc. Not that that is what the gov't should be providing it for but I see no harm in filing one out. Its also used to estimate needs for public utilities, gov't services like transportation and gov't agencies...Not sure I understand the BEEF.
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Actually the founding fathers came up with the census back in their days. So its nothing new except for the additional info they now ask.
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Actually the founding fathers came up with the census back in their days. So its nothing new except for the additional info they now ask.
Except for this CHANGE

The director of the Census Bureau will report directly to the White House and not the secretary of Commerce, according to a senior White House official.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cf...s-000003024858

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Originally Posted by starmonk View Post
Lots of businesses use census data to determine business plans, advertising campaigns, etc. Not that that is what the gov't should be providing it for but I see no harm in filing one out. Its also used to estimate needs for public utilities, gov't services like transportation and gov't agencies...Not sure I understand the BEEF.

It seems a redundancy in government. All the info can be found in tax returns outside of all the other crap they ask.

In my area they are pushing the idea that schools need to know so they can hire the correct number of teachers. What bunk! They take the census once in 10 years; tax returns are filed every year.

Just seems like a waste to me.
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Originally Posted by fishingfun View Post
Actually the founding fathers came up with the census back in their days. So its nothing new except for the additional info they now ask.

Ahh good point but then we didn't have to file tax returns back in the day did we?
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My big question is why are they advertising the census???

They have a 24 million dollar budget, for advertising to us that they are going to have a census.


I don't get it...
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My big question is why are they advertising the census???

They have a 24 million dollar budget, for advertising to us that they are going to have a census.


I don't get it...

Trying to get people to cooperate. Many people (Years ****** came from countries that did not trust government, and would not unlock the door let alone answer any questions.

Today we have a great deal of illegal's and they also will not open a door out of fear of being sent home.

Picture a guy ringing the bell and calling out "Extermination" and the guy inside the home hearing, "Immigration" and flying out the back window.
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It is to determine who/where get more welfare and social programs...
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It is to determine who/where get more welfare and social programs...

Still can't this info be gotten by looking at state and fed tax returns?
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Still can't this info be gotten by looking at state and fed tax returns?
Absolutely, I agree. Between returns and SS #'s they should be able to do it. BUT, the gov't wants MORE info, not just how many heads in a house, although that's all you are legally bound to provide. It's all about re-distribution of $$ in the end.
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The more they know about you the more they can take. To expand the argument, if they know you have a gun, when they decide to confiscate, where do you think they will start? If they know you drive an F250 that gets 12mg downhill, when they mandate mileage requirements, where do you think they will start?

F%^& 'em. I'll tell them how many mouths are in the house and that's it.
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