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Old 01-25-2010, 07:52 AM
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A story in todays San Diego Union about smugglers entering the US via boat.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...ising-rapidly/




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The CG boats have machine guns on their bows, find them and shoot the boats in half.
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The CG boats have machine guns on their bows, find them and shoot the boats in half.

Could you be the one pulling the trigger ? Can you really tell me that you would not have a problem killing unarmed human beings.
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This is new news to the general public, but not to the boaters in FL who are having there boats stolen!
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The CG boats have machine guns on their bows, find them and shoot the boats in half.
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THAT'S HEAVY......





The paper I mean. I used to deliver the SD Union. man the Sunday issue was brutal.
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They have just now figured this out? Smugglers using boats? OH MY GOD...

Ever seen all the stolen 30'+ Yellowfins/Fountain/Everglades/etc in Isla Mujeres?
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Could you be the one pulling the trigger ? Can you really tell me that you would not have a problem killing unarmed human beings.
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Who said anything about shooting the people in them?? When they land ship them back destroy the boats with gunfire, it might deter them. Dont assume shit about people you dont know.

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Who said anything about shooting the people in them?? When they land ship them back destroy the boats with gunfire, it might deter them. Dont assume shit about people you dont know.

Why don't you clearly say what you mean? Your post would seem to imply that you wanted the boats found and shot on sight. You leave it to us to assume the details you stated in your follow up post. Sorry, my crystal ball is in the shop. And by the way, that is the most idiotic attempt to cover your ass I ever saw. And is that finger something you learned when you went to Booker T High School ?

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It's not politically correct to be mean to illegal people. After all, they are only breaking the law.
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Nothing new in South Florida, been going on for 20+ years and taking place on our stolen boats.
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It's not politically correct to be mean to illegal people. After all, they are only breaking the law.

I am in no way endorsing illegal immigration or entry into our country illegally. The illegals should be dealt with by the laws we have in place. I don't pretend to be a lawyer, LEO, Judge, etc, but I feel that I can say with confidence that execution by gunfire is not allowed before they even arrest someone. My guess is that would be called murder.
I also wasn't asking about it being politically correct. I just wanted to know if he could, or maybe even you could pull the trigger on the machine gun on the Coast Guard boat and shoot those people to death. It's a moral question, not politics or law. Not speaking for anyone else, but in my faith I beleive that I will one day have to answer to a higher power, and if I am to follow that faith, one of the rules is "Thou shalt not kill". I think the actual translation is "Thou shall not murder" in Exodus 20:2-17, while my church uses the translation 'kill' (less specific and more inclusive) instead of murder. It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill, unless they are breaking the law by sneaking across the border".
So I personally would face a moral dilemma if I were standing in that gun mount and ordered to shoot a boat full of suspected illegal immigrants. I am proud to be a citizen of the greatest country in the world, a country that is moral and just for ALL people.


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Franco - Should illegals have health insurance under the BO plan? A simple yes or no will help clarify your POV.
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How many boat loads of people do you think we would have to sink or shoot until people got the idea that---"sneaking into the US maybe not such a good idea", " they will shoot us, lets find somewhere else to sneak in to"....
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Franco - Should illegals have health insurance under the BO plan? A simple yes or no will help clarify your POV.
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How many boat loads of people do you think we would have to sink or shoot until people got the idea that---"sneaking into the US maybe not such a good idea", " they will shoot us, lets find somewhere else to sneak in to"....
Probably not too many.


But again, can you pull the trigger?

Simple yes or no answer to understand your POV.
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That's not fair...its not a simple question! We need to do something a little more drastic than we are doing now..If these people thought we meant business, they might not be in such a hurry to try to sneak in here...correct? The Politically Correct crap we do now.......isn't working!
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That's not fair...its not a simple question! We need to do something a little more drastic than we are doing now..If these people thought we meant business, they might not be in such a hurry to try to sneak in here...correct? The Politically Correct crap we do now.......isn't working!
I agree with you, we need to do something between just opening the floodgates and commiting nurder.

But I stiil wonder if your morals would allow you to pull the trigger?
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Talking about it and doing it are one thing, I admit that. The only way I honestly would pull the trigger is if myself or my family was in immediate danger, that I couldn't avoid. That being said, isn't that the job of our armed forces, to protect this country so I dont have to. Honestly if we sank one or two of these boats coming here illegally with all sorts of people on board, don't you think others would get the idea..
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Talking about it and doing it are one thing, I admit that. The only way I honestly would pull the trigger is if myself or my family was in immediate danger, that I couldn't avoid. That being said, isn't that the job of our armed forces, to protect this country so I dont have to. Honestly if we sank one or two of these boats coming here illegally with all sorts of people on board, don't you think others would get the idea..
Thanks for your honesty. I agree with you, I would pull a trigger as a last resort if my family or myself were in immenent danger.
The Armed Forces job is to defend our country from both external and internal threats. I'm not sure if that includes immigration, as we have several agencies that are responsible for that. And honestly if we sank a vessel full of potential illegal immigrants I'm sure the news would get out and they would just seek other means to enter our country. Try to be honest, if we were to shoot and kill a vessel in that manner, what would distinguish ourselves from what we call terroists.

"United States Law Code – the law that governs the entire country – contains a definition of terrorism embedded in its requirement that Annual Country reports on Terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. (From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)
(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
(4) the terms “territory” and “territory of the country” mean the land, waters, and airspace of the country; and
(5) the terms “terrorist sanctuary” and “sanctuary” mean an area in the territory of the country—
(A) that is used by a terrorist or terrorist organization—
(i) to carry out terrorist activities, including training, fundraising, financing, and recruitment; or
(ii) as a transit point; and
(B) the government of which expressly consents to, or with knowledge, allows, tolerates, or disregards such use of its territory and is not subject to a determination under—
(i) section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to title 50;
(ii) section 2371 (a) of this title; or
(iii) section 2780 (d) of this title."

"The FBI defines terrorism as:
The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

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