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Old 01-24-2010, 07:40 AM
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Thinking of installing a water softener system for the whole house. Any pros or cons? I have been looking at the Kinetico System or Pelican System. The thing I like about this system is it does not require any electrical work, seeing as it would not require running pipe back and forth under the driveway. I am tired of all the hard water issues!!!
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:40 AM
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As an no worries alternative, I use Culligan service to drop off and install a regenerated tank, sized for my use into a house water cut in that I installed. Culligan comes once a month, I open the garage door and the guy swaps out the tank. Done.

No salt to lug back from Home Dept or expensive hardware to buy and malfunction are a couple benefits that come mind.

Another thing to consider is that some municipalities frown on dumping regen water waste into the sanitary sewer and some places it's illegal although rarely enforced. If you are ecologically inclined and lazy like me, it's the perfect solution to worry free, soft water.

Oh the cost.... $30/ month which is a dollar a day.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:58 AM
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If you absolutely have to have ok ,but you will notice a significant loss of water pressure and a lot less volume as the softeners restrict the flow of water specially if you have high demand of water .On average 15 to 20 lbs of water pressure loss. Now there are chemical injection systems that work very well . Consists of an injection pump and a mixture 55 gallon drum.
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:56 PM
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It would be to your advantage to have the outside hose bibs separated from the system and piped before the softener.
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:10 PM
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I wondered if I would loose water pressure. I was told I would not by one company.
I agree about discharging the salt brine, that is why I was looking at the Pelican System. Thanks for the info.
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one down side is if you have an on site septic these systems can kill your septic field
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If you just run one faucet at a time ,it is not very noticeable ,but if you wash your car with a fully open hose you will ,the softeners stack up pressure behind them ,i have done a lot of sprinkler work where they had softeners ,and i have personally have seen a drop of up to 25 psi ,and that is a lot . My assumption is that you have a well system with a pump. The softener guys will tell you anything to sell you a unit ,but if you do buy one make it at least capable of delivering 30% more than all the water that you can use at any time . There is quite a bit of restriction through the softener system
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I have city water. The pelican system does NOT discharge anything.. I am tired of cleaning the hardness off the shower and all other stuff. I really don't want to loose any water pressure as it is already low.
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We have a Sears Kenmore softener, several years old. It makes a noticeable difference, but it does not turn hard water into spot free water. My outside hose bibs bypass the softener. We use about a bag of salt per month (~$5.00). I put in 4 bags at a time, so that's 3 times a year I refill it.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:26 AM
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I had a Culligan when I lived out in Indiana. I had better water pressure out there with a softener than I do here without one. I do not know how much pressure was lost, as it was installed while the house was being built. It had a huge tank for the salt that I filled quarterly.
New houses have to pass inspection so I'm sure if the brine discharge was a no-no, it would have come out before the occupancy permit was ok'ed.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:53 AM
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I have a whole house regenerating system with a carbon filter prior to it.
I change the carbon filter quarterly and throw 2 bags every month into the brine tank. It also has a potassium permanganate filter(green sand) that i recharge annually. This helps remove manganese which most softeners are incapable of treating.

My hoses for outside run prior to the system to cut down waste.
We are a family of five...4 females and me, so the laundry rate is high, as well as the showers!!
We bought the house new and the builder already had it installed as we are on a well.
The plumbers did a great install, but they usually don't know anything about programming to the water quality.
I have a friend at atlas water who came by to test my water, and adjust the system. I use the softener pellets with iron removing property to assist rust removal.


I suggest you go with a professionally installed system as they will be superior in performance based on your individual water quality. If not, you have no idea how well your money is being spent, no matter how cost effective you believe it to be. Water quality differs from town to town, street to street, and house to house.

SOMEONE ELSE POSTED $30 A MONTH AS A REASONABLE COST, BUT DOES THAT PROPERLY TREAT YOUR PARTICULAR NEEDS?
MY ANNUAL COSTS...
$80 FILTERS
$25 POTASSIUM PERM
$120 SALT PELLETS

THE INTIAL COST OF A SYSTEM MAY SEEM HIGH, BUT THE ANNUAL SAVING SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF IN 10 YEARS AND PROBABLY TREAT YOUR WATER BETTER. SOME COMPANIES PROVIDE LEASE PROGRAMS WITH ANNUAL SERVICES INCLUDED AS WELL AS REPAIRS. THIS TOO MAY BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE BUT ULTIMATELY IT COMES DOWN TO YOUR WATER QUALITY.

Also, i installed low flow, high pressure shower heads and we have no issue with pressure even though our house is a three story colonial, built on a hill.

Fyi...(not to offend but...)i don't consider culligan to be a great company even though most people know of them. Good luck with your decision.
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