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Old 01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
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jan 19th is Robert E. Lee's birthday. spend some time reading about one of our greatest countrymen.
if our leaders had the courage and conviction of General Lee, our country would not be in the sad shape it's in today.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:53 PM
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booyah! helluvah leader could use him today
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:58 PM
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Happy Birthday General Lee!



Read the books "Robert E Lee A Biography" by Emory M Thomas and "Lee's Civil War" by Bevin Alexander. Thomas' book is very well written and has lots of factual stuff in it. Lee was much more than a Confederate General. A truley honorable Gentelman.
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:21 PM
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Happy Birthday General.

The two southern gentlemen Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson, although owning slaves, spoke out against slavery and understood as did Jefferson Davis that irregardless of the outcome of the War for Southern Independence that the question of slavery was already determined. The same can not be said of Lincoln and Grant who on more than one occasion spoke ill of african slaves.
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We have a beautiful street called "Monument Avenue" in Richmond, that contains MANY statues commemorating the Civil War.

Here's the ones of Lee and Jackson:

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Happy Birthday General Lee.

My great-grandmother had many letters that she kept and held dear to her that were from her grandfather, a confederate soldier. It meant a lot to her, therefore it does to me.
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Man we could use more men like him today. Anyone feel like seceding in the name of states rights during our current administration?
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:17 AM
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I used to live on Monument Ave. in an apt. just adjacent to Lee's statue late '60's/early 70's(1610 or 1615 Monument I think). I was a KA at U of Richmond and Lee was our spiritual leader. Nice to see the monument photo.
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His picture is in my office and my son is named Jeb so you know where I stand with Civil War generals. The silver fox was one of the best leaders in our history. Even though I think age was getting him in the end, had his decision making been slightly different at Gettysburg I would be paying taxes in Richmond today. He did more with less than any general in our history short of George Washington.
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Lee took over after Gen. Johnston was wounded and incapacitated. Had he taken over earlier in the conflict the ending had a fair probability of being different. He did so much with so little as compared to the resources available to the North. The accidental shooting, by a North Carolinian brigade, of General Jackson as his riding party rode outside the Confederate lines at Chancellorsville was also another fatal blow to the Southern cause.

Rest in Peace, Gen. Lee!!

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Old 01-19-2010, 10:26 AM
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Happy Birthday General!
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Believe it or not Confederates Day is a legal Holiday in SC, shame they could not have used his birthday
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good to see some people still appreciate a true leader.
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Shouldn't it be a damn holiday? I would much rather celebrate his birthday than a few other holidays.
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Isn't he a traitor? President Lincoln appointed him commander of the Union Army and he declined, instead he sided with the South.
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Originally Posted by Jay A View Post
Isn't he a traitor? President Lincoln appointed him commander of the Union Army and he declined, instead he sided with the South.

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Lee was promoted to full Colonel of the 1st US Calvary on March 4 1861, he ignored an offer of a Brigadier Generals commision in the CS Army. At the time Va had not succeded, Lee told a friend "If Va stands by the old union, so will I. But if she secceded (thought i do not belive in seccession as a constitution right, nor that their is a sufficient cause for revolution), then I will follow my native State with my sword, and, if need be, my life." Lee was with VA more than anything, he was never officialy offered command of the US Army. He resigned his commision on April 17 the day VA suceeded and within a week was offered command of the Virgnia Army and Navy, when they were rolled into the Confederate Army Lee was a Brigadier Gen on Jeff Davis' staff.
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Isn't he a traitor? President Lincoln appointed him commander of the Union Army and he declined, instead he sided with the South.
If the choice is between the motive and character the Politician Lincoln and the Gentlemen Lee, I will stick with Lee.

“So, if the Articles of Confederation could be treated as a scrap of paper, if delegation to the confederate government in the 1780s was revocable, how could the central government set up under the Constitution . . . claim that its powers were permanent and irrevocable? . . . . [T]hat monstrous illogic is precisely the doctrine proclaimed by the North, by the Union, during the War Between the States. ”

“The central grievance of he American rebels was the taxing power: the systematic plunder of their property by the British government . . . . One of the central grievances of the South, too, was the tariff that Northerners imposed on Southerners whose major income came from exporting cotton abroad.”

“[T]he southern United States was the only place in the 19th century where slavery was abolished by fire and by ‘terrible swift sword.’ In every other part of the New World, slavery was peacefully bought out by agreement with slaveholders.”

“The Northern war was the very opposite of honorable . . . . the North insisted on creating a conscript army . . . and broke the 19th century rules of war by specifically plundering and slaughtering civilians . . .”

“[W]e must . . . never forget, we must put in the dock and hang higher than Haman, those who, in modern times, opened the Pandora’s Box of genocide and the extermination of civilians: Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln.”
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If the choice is between the motive and character the Politician Lincoln and the Gentlemen Lee, I will stick with Lee.

“So, if the Articles of Confederation could be treated as a scrap of paper, if delegation to the confederate government in the 1780s was revocable, how could the central government set up under the Constitution . . . claim that its powers were permanent and irrevocable? . . . . [T]hat monstrous illogic is precisely the doctrine proclaimed by the North, by the Union, during the War Between the States. ”

“The central grievance of he American rebels was the taxing power: the systematic plunder of their property by the British government . . . . One of the central grievances of the South, too, was the tariff that Northerners imposed on Southerners whose major income came from exporting cotton abroad.”

“[T]he southern United States was the only place in the 19th century where slavery was abolished by fire and by ‘terrible swift sword.’ In every other part of the New World, slavery was peacefully bought out by agreement with slaveholders.”

“The Northern war was the very opposite of honorable . . . . the North insisted on creating a conscript army . . . and broke the 19th century rules of war by specifically plundering and slaughtering civilians . . .”

“[W]e must . . . never forget, we must put in the dock and hang higher than Haman, those who, in modern times, opened the Pandora’s Box of genocide and the extermination of civilians: Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln.”

Was he speaking about this union prisioner at Andersonville?


A Union soldier who survived.
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Yea lets relive THAT war. Maybe we can learn something.

But - Look if we'd had let the Iraq and the whole Muslim World have the civil war they need to have to get rid of the religious whakkos we wouldn't have to be there now. don't we learn anything? Time for the silent majority of Muslims Arabs to put up! THEY NEED a civil war - we had to pay such a price - why fight their wars for them?

This month Afghanistan has become our longest war ever - longer than even the Revolution and Vietnam.....
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