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Here's a good "Sold my dirtbike story". (Long, if you have the time)

Old 01-15-2010, 09:00 AM
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As I had no one left to ride my dirtbike with anymore (boo-hoo), and nowhere close by to ride, had to truck to Maine some 80 miles north just to get to some trails, I had to sell the 1995 Honda CR500R I had since 2000.



So I put my ad in Craigslist and get responses from serious people and my price is super-reasonable as well as the pile of spare/new parts I included in the sale as there was no reason I was ever going to have my bike go down from not having a part, I had spares of everything.

I listed the bike for $1,800 but the lowest I'd go was $1,500 and let it be known that if I only see $1,450 that there would be no deal, we all know how it works when it comes down to it.

Guy shows up, looks the part, knows bikes and knows what a CR500R is all about. Looks it over in the garage, sees all the spare parts, wiggles the rear wheel to see if there is any play in the wheel/swingarm/linkage, pretty much looks at everything one should look at and sees that the bike is as I described which is in top-notch condition as I kept the thing up over the years and keep new parts on at almost all times.

Finally, the test ride. I fire it up even though it is in the 20's with a wind, it is about 7:30pm. I take it up the street a few times as it is never good to cane a motor when it is cold and when it comes time for a "test-pilot", I know they're gonna give it the works to see what it has got and make sure the motor is there.

He gets on and goes down the driveway, then up the street, rightfully putting the bike through the gears at pretty much WOT, which is good as the test-drive always gets the hook-set. Like the ads that say, "first one to ride will by", and I've always found it to be true, ride and buy.

He pulls back in the driveway, cold but with a massive grin on his face, he likes how it runs, knows the gearbox is good and that the motor pulls like a Mo-Fo.

I open the garage but ask, "Should we just put it in your truck?, what do you think?, do you want it or no?"

He smiles, turns to the wife and says "Ok, give it to him" and she hands me 15 $100-bills.

Bike goes in the back of his truck, we load all the parts in, bill of sale and goodbye beloved, oh faithful dirtbike. This was on a Friday night.


I get an email on Monday. Guy says he had studded the tires to ride in the snow. Says he was riding around for about 20 minutes when the bike died. He went and took the engine apart and emails me pictures of a piston with a broken skirt. He tells me that it will cost him $300 to fix and he'd appreciate any help I would/could give him.

I email him back, write him that ". . . while it was unfortunate that that happened to you, when you get the bike repaired, you'll have a great bike."

He replies asking me if it means that I will not help him.

I reply "I sold the bike with no warranty or contingency plan" and that I don't owe him anything.

His reply, "If that is your position, I will see you in court."

My final answer, "Do not contact me again in any way, shape or form."


The nice lesson in all of this is that for any private party sale, the term "Caveat Emptor" applies, buyer beware as there is no "take-backs", warranties or refunds. Simply, if you buy a horse, and the horse dies, it is still your horse.

Guy looks at bike, rides bike, decides to buy bike, bike breaks after he rides it, it is still HIS bike. How is one to know his pics were real, even if the bike did break, it is and was his bike. I never misrepresented the bike in any way.

I talk to my sister in law lawyer who says he has no case and the court wouldn't even let him file anything as the Caveat Emptor-"rule" applies in any private sale.
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Old 01-15-2010, 09:33 AM
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You did the right thing. To expect a warranty on a 15 year old dirt bike from a private seller is just silly. I hope the guy doesn't become a pain in the butt.

That, and as you obviously know from your parts stockpile: Bikes break. They're toys, and they get played with hard.
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Someone would take someone else to court over a $300 repair? Was the guy driving a 1983 pickup?
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I will add that this all happened in early March of last year.

I never heard from the guy again as he had no case.

He could have just wanted $300 and had run the same line by others, threatening them with legal-action but I'm sure as heck no sucker and squashed it all.

If it did happen, I feel bad, but those are the breaks. One does not even need to write in the bill of sale "Sold, as-is" it is always implied in a private sale.

Caveat Emptor, Buyer Beware

Ha, it was a beat up late 80's-early 90's Chevy though, not that it really mattered, but ha!
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Sorry about the frustration but you are right, it is his bike now!

A CR500.... WOW! That has to be a rocket ship. I had 125's (easy to throw around) and then moved up to a 250. I remember the first time I road the 250 after a 125. I putted around for a while getting use to her then decided to open her up in the field. I clearly remeber easing through first and cranking it into second. The next thing I clearly remember was how blue the sky was that day and how pretty the clouds were, from my back. Yup, the power curve on those CR's demanded respect!

Awsome ride, I would gladly pay $300 for a new piston on such an incredible machine.
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I've got a service Honda cr500af limited edition. It moves my 145lbs along quite nicely. I need a spare motor though. 500 smokers rule!
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Yes, compared to a 250, which I had thankfully got to try many "works"/highly modified 250's in my time as everyone who had never tried a 500 loves to give it a go and I try their 250's, when the 250 runs out of power, the 500 is just getting started and pulls hard and long.

My buddy had a 2001 KX500 and we'd race all the time and I'd take him till top gear and once in top gear he'd start to pull as the KX500 is faster at the top end but this was stock for stock back then and the sky is always the limit for money always buys power/speed, but they are fast enough stock, and reliable.

The challenge with most is that when they rode, they were much younger and just physically weaker, like the line up here in New England, " . . . when we were younger, the snowbanks were always much higher and it just snowed more . . . " of course, you were 3-4 feet tall back then. One controls the power but the power is surely there.

wildgeechi, the SH CR500AF (LE even!) has been and still is my dream-bike, all fitted out with the Baja lights, must be awesome.

As I get older, I want the quiet and would be happy with a quiet 450 4-stroke, the new BMW looks what I need, would want if I were to get back into it again.
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Yes, compared to a 250, which I had thankfully got to try many "works"/highly modified 250's in my time as everyone who had never tried a 500 loves to give it a go and I try their 250's, when the 250 runs out of power, the 500 is just getting started and pulls hard and long.

My buddy had a 2001 KX500 and we'd race all the time and I'd take him till top gear and once in top gear he'd start to pull as the KX500 is faster at the top end but this was stock for stock back then and the sky is always the limit for money always buys power/speed, but they are fast enough stock, and reliable.

The challenge with most is that when they rode, they were much younger and just physically weaker, like the line up here in New England, " . . . when we were younger, the snowbanks were always much higher and it just snowed more . . . " of course, you were 3-4 feet tall back then. One controls the power but the power is surely there.

wildgeechi, the SH CR500AF (LE even!) has been and still is my dream-bike, all fitted out with the Baja lights, must be awesome.

As I get older, I want the quiet and would be happy with a quiet 450 4-stroke, the new BMW looks what I need, would want if I were to get back into it again.
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That sucker is a beauty! I can't imagine the motor, in that frame, and nicely massaged by Service Honda since the stocker I had was more than enough for the trail-beater I used it for since I never raced.
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I gotta go downstairs and see what serial number mine is.


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I gotta go downstairs and see what serial number mine is.


What are the odds of that eh? They only made 21 one of them. I promptly swapped all the LE plastic out for black so it will look nice if I put the white back on... seeing as how a gnarly wreck was inevitable.

One fast mo-fo eh?

I'm number 17... bought it directly from AJ (the designer and builder) as it was his bike.


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thats why all my bill of sales say "as is, as seen, with no warrenties written or implied"go forbid in this day and age you slip and imply that it will last.......time and it doesn't

he probibly didn't warm it up or forgot to add oil to play in the snow
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I had a guy buy my Yamaha IT 175 (yeah it was a long time ago) and call me a couple days later. Said he wanted his money back after riding it all weekend, and now "it doesn't have any compression."

I think I was 16, sold it to buy my first car probably, and told him sorry, but it was as is. I said the piston and was clean when I changed the head gasket a while back, and he said, "yeah, it looked good when I pulled the head too" when he first got it. Never heard back from him.

On the good side, I sold my KDX 200 last year to a returning Vet from Iraq. Said he wanted to have some fun after just getting back 2 days ago. He looked at my bike, didn't ride it, and gave me cash. I told him thanks for his service and hope he enjoys it, because I really never had the time to use it.

Got an e-mail from him a few months later and he said he had modified it and was running hare scramblers, great bike and thanks. That was cool that he followed up on the purchases. Wish I kept that KDX. Hard to beat a 2 stroke on the power valve/pipe.
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I have a little collection started in my downstairs........

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Impressive Brett1. I like the GSXR1100, heck, I like them all.

Good to see that there are 500 riders on here.

GWcpa, I still remember the IT 175, was one of the first bikes/enduro's I had ever ridden.
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After riding 250 Maico's (a 1975, 1976 AW and a 1978 Red Frame, yea, I'm old now) in Moto-Cross I got a 1980 IT175 to ride Hare Scrambles and Enduro's.
After turning Expert in Moto-Cross we only got two 30 min motos plus 15 min of practice. Not enough riding time for the money we had to spend after they were charging to get in the gate and a riders fee. So I left and went to HS and Enduros.
I did very well in 1980 and got a sponsorship from Yamaha through a local shop and got a 1981 IT 175 to ride the next year.
I should try and scan some old photos and post them.
Racing was the best time of my youth. If it didn't have to do with racing, then I didn't want anything to do with it.
I still have the 1969 Honda Mini Trail I started out on.
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yup,,,did the right thing.
What did you end up doing to your motor cowel?
While we are on bikes,,,my daughter and I both ride,,,she is starting off as I did at the same age of 8.
And now we are able to ride together,,,
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After riding 250 Maico's (a 1975, 1976 AW and a 1978 Red Frame, yea, I'm old now) in Moto-Cross I got a 1980 IT175 to ride Hare Scrambles and Enduro's.
After turning Expert in Moto-Cross we only got two 30 min motos plus 15 min of practice. Not enough riding time for the money we had to spend after they were charging to get in the gate and a riders fee. So I left and went to HS and Enduros.
I did very well in 1980 and got a sponsorship from Yamaha through a local shop and got a 1981 IT 175 to ride the next year.
I should try and scan some old photos and post them.
Racing was the best time of my youth. If it didn't have to do with racing, then I didn't want anything to do with it.
I still have the 1969 Honda Mini Trail I started out on.
Oh the memories,

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Boy this got the ''way back machine'' turned on. Anyone familiar with my boyhood relics? Couldn't be ''normal'' and start with a Yamaha or Suzuki, no, I had to buy the most cantankerous bike made!


Found a picture on the web.

1973 Rickman 250. What a horse!!




After learning how to repair/rebuild motorcycles with my first bike I decided I could take on the world! So I bought the next most cantankerous bike made at the time!



1978 HERCULES DKW GS250



Figuring I needed just one more round of punishment I opted for the next monster! This was one out of control machine!
1977 KTM GS 250




Finally, I had had enough of the EURO nightmares and bought my dream bike.


What a dream this bike was. I rode it all summer and only replaced the fenders from a crash I had. Sold it for what I paid and was on to road bikes.

Like buying boats, you tend to buy the projects and junkers in the beginning because you think that is all you can afford. Never mind the countless dollars and time put into each one to get them and keep them operational.

The education was priceless, as are the memories.

Thanks for jogging the marbles to bring back these gems and thanks to the internet for providing the pictures.!

Great thread!

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What a jerk that buyer is. Doesn't he know that even when that bike was sold brand spankin' new to it's original owner, there was no factory warranty? If the original owner would've rode it 20 minutes after it leaving the dealership, having bought the bike brand new and the piston skirt broke off, Honda wouldn't have done anything for him. That's how motocross bikes were sold new. At least back then.

The one thing I don't believe about the story is that the buyer test rode that bike WOT. A CR 500 is a brutally powerful bike (I never owned a CR 500, but my buddy did and I rode it several times. I did own a KX 500 however). If he could've rode that bike WOT his name would've had to be Rick Johnson or Jeff Stanton.

I have a near identical story. A while back I sold my '84 KTM 250 SX to a guy. I meticulously went over everything in detail with him. I have him all kind of spare parts, oils, tools, fork springs, shock springs, carb jets, service manual (the owners manual was the shop manual). The bike had a fresh crank and top end. A week after he buys it from me he calls me and wants to bring the bike back to me and get his money back because the bike died. I asked him what ratio he mixed the oil with the fuel. The other end of the phone went silent for moment or two. The next thing out of his mouth was, you mean I needed to mix the oil with the fuel? I politely told him to have a nice day.

The CR 500 was a great bike. Too bad they quit making them. I know it would've been hard to part with that baby. They were simple (easy to work on), but highly effective. I'm having a mid-life dirt bike crisis myself. Though I don't have far to drive to ride (I always live next to a buddy that owns his own private MX track), I don't have time to ride and at 47 yrs old, I'm thinking it might be smart to walk away from that lifelong passion / interest while I've never experienced a back or neck injury. Giving up riding is a tough think to come to grips with however.
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Nice collection Brett! My wife still has her KX 100 and given all the fishing closures it might be time for me to get back in the saddle again. I had an '02 cr 250 that I loved, and JR is itching to get back in the game too. There is nothing like the SH 500 though, I rode one hill climbing Colorado and there was no hope keeping that one underneath Me.
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