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Old 10-18-2009, 07:08 AM
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On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page
amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would require all Members
of Congress and their staff members to enroll in any new government-run
health plan.

Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require
Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they would
force on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)

Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:

http://fleming.house.gov/index.html

Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.

Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose on the rest of us.

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
Old 10-18-2009, 07:13 AM
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Done,
Let's see if they are willing to live like the common folk.
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Originally Posted by scubadown View Post
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page
amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would require all Members
of Congress and their staff members to enroll in any new government-run
health plan.

Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require
Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they would
force on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)

Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:

http://fleming.house.gov/index.html


Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.

Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose on the rest of us.

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
It'l never become law. This is only an attempt by cynical congressmen to say "I voted for it before I voted against it."

Like John Kerry, these yokels want it both ways........
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"I have offered a resolution that will offer members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan."

Interesting. Since, under the current proposals, those already covered by their employer's plan or by a private plan they bought, do not have to join the Public Option, Coburn is saying that he wants to continue treating Congress differently in that, even though they have an employer or private plan, they MUST join the Public Option. So is he then suggesting that this should be applied equally to the country and that now everyone should be enrolled in the Public Option regardless of their existing coverage?

So he really does want 100% government paid health care - or the national health care option. And that is what you guys have just voted for. As I say, interesting.

Then again, he could just be playing games. Nah, couldn't be. I mean he is a congressman and wouldn't waste our time and money doing that, would he?
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They're blowing smoke up our butts, there is a private health clinic that is like a small hospital in the Capital Bldg. that is open to all Congressmen and Senators for $503 per year. So, they don't even need to go anywhere for a doctor and if they need a specialist, one is provided. Want to be equal, close their private clinic and give them employer health coverage with co-pays and deductibles. When they retire make the eligible for Medicare and a supplement.
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Originally Posted by rod bender bob View Post
They're blowing smoke up our butts, there is a private health clinic that is like a small hospital in the Capital Bldg. that is open to all Congressmen and Senators for $503 per year. So, they don't even need to go anywhere for a doctor and if they need a specialist, one is provided. Want to be equal, close their private clinic and give them employer health coverage with co-pays and deductibles. When they retire make the eligible for Medicare and a supplement.

Exactly. What we currently have is an elite class who are actually working for us and being paid for by us.

it would be interesting to ask why Coburn hasn't asked for fairness and equality in their current plan over what Joe Public has. So why is he all of a sudden interested in equality now? And why doesn't he look at pensions as well?

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Originally Posted by scubadown View Post
On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a two-page
amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would require all Members
of Congress and their staff members to enroll in any new government-run
health plan.

Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require
Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they would
force on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)

Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:

http://fleming.house.gov/index.html

Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.

Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose on the rest of us.

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!
Thanks I will check it out.
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The best approach to getting a reasonable healthcare system would be for all members of Congress and the administration to be fully subject to the same system and costs that they impose on the rest of us, with exceptions for the President and Vice President while in office and something extra for military personnel injured on active duty. You would get a much better system than having a small bunch of people not subject to the results of their work call the shots for everyone else. It would minimize the political aspects of producing a workable plan.

It is a shame that most of the population does not demand this of our representatives (presumably many don't know that Congress has its own special system paid for by us). I imagine we quickly would see eliminiation of the antitrust exemption for insurance companies, permission to sell insurance across state lines, creation of publicly-funded clinics in less well off areas so people there don't just go to a hospital emergency room for basic treatment, requiring alien (legal and illegal) users of the system to bear their proportionate share of the cost, charging people for the actual cost of their unhealthy conduct (smoking, obesity, drinking), and a host of other competition-increasing and/or cost-reducing measures without simply trying to force everything to a public option that manages amounts that can be charged by providers. These things, along with requiring people actually to pay out of pocket for some aspects of their basic care, would go a long way to decreasing costs and enabling the spread of insurance to those without it now and fixing some of the problems.

What we need is a group of influential, relatively moderate people not strongly identified with the left or right to push the idea. Bill Gates, Ross Perot, Paul Volker, and a couple of similar people could lead the way. Now if they would only act.
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Lot of people on here obviously want a national healthcare system. Very interesting.
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Originally Posted by dssmith View Post
It'l never become law. This is only an attempt by cynical congressmen to say "I voted for it before I voted against it."

Like John Kerry, these yokels want it both ways........
I don't think so. I am as cynical as the next guy but so far this has been party line. Except for Olympia Snow and her future vote isn't locked in. Of course the more concessions that the Dems make the more likely to pull some Repubs.
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Lot of people on here obviously want a national healthcare system. Very interesting.
NO we all do not I am perfectly happy with the on I pay for the goberment can stick there junk
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Lot of people on here obviously want a national healthcare system. Very interesting.
Where the heck do you get that from?
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Lot of people on here obviously want a national healthcare system. Very interesting.
Strange logic? I don't see any such thing by reading the posts.

I believe most here want congress to follow the laws they pass rather than exempt themselves.

We have a national health care scheme in the US. Medicare/Medicaid.
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Done!!

Don't they work for us? How many of you give your employees a better plan than you have?
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Based on Menzies post here, he must of been on the phone with Bill Nelson at 6:09.
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Lot of people on here obviously want a national healthcare system. Very interesting.
Certainly not me either..what kind of twisted logic is that?

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