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What do you feel about a persons right to have these and why?
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Because the criminals will have them no matter if they are banned or not. That will mean only the criminals will have them leaving the honest citizens unprotected.

Banning these weapons will do absolutly nothing, drugs are illegal and look how well thats going.

The day the government tells me I can not protect myself and my family is the day I will break the law.

I think the best thing they can do is set strict guidelines as to who is legally permitted to have guns. If you are an ex con, fellon, sex offender, ect then you are not allowed to have guns.

I think the law is close to that now, but make the penalty severe if these people are caught with a weapon.
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Because the criminals will have them no matter if they are banned or not. That will mean only the criminals will have them leaving the honest citizens unprotected.

Banning these weapons will do absolutly nothing, drugs are illegal and look how well thats going.

The day the government tells me I can not protect myself and my family is the day I will break the law.

I think the best thing they can do is set strict guidelines as to who is legally permitted to have guns. If you are an ex con, fellon, sex offender, ect then you are not allowed to have guns.

I think the law is close to that now, but make the penalty severe if these people are caught with a weapon.
i believe being a felon and getting busted with a firearm puts you back in the clink
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Originally Posted by wildgeechi View Post
i believe being a felon and getting busted with a firearm puts you back in the clink

Yes I believe that is the rule, but I bet we would be shocked at the amount of felons that are out on the street with a gun in their pocket......and have been caught with them before.

The crime in this country is out of control these days. I don't think the citizens can rely on the law to protect them anymore. I think we're getting close to a self policing country....with the law at our back.

I'm so sick of hearing about another murder over 50 bucks on the news every day. These scum bags are killing innocent people just to steal a few bucks from a convienence store register.

If every store clerk had a 45 on their waist these robberies would diminish to almost nothing.
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Originally Posted by ScarabChris View Post
Yes I believe that is the rule, but I bet we would be shocked at the amount of felons that are out on the street with a gun in their pocket......and have been caught with them before.

The crime in this country is out of control these days. I don't think the citizens can rely on the law to protect them anymore. I think we're getting close to a self policing country....with the law at our back.

I'm so sick of hearing about another murder over 50 bucks on the news every day. These scum bags are killing innocent people just to steal a few bucks from a convienence store register.

If every store clerk had a 45 on their waist these robberies would diminish to almost nothing.
i hear there is a county in ga that requires all households have a firearm, and their crime rate is nonexistant
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Guns are no different then golf clubs. Some people like to golf, some people like to shoot and own guns. Some people may use a gun to kill another person, and some people have beat a person to death with a golf club.

Concealed carry, is a great deterrent to criminal activity. Just knowing that somebody may be armed, makes that person less attractive as a potential target.

Assault weapons are nothing more then the evolution of the firearm. People who get all round eyed at the sight of them, have bigger issues then the fear of guns.

The true purpose of the second amendment, was to guarantee the citizenry, the ability to protect themselves from an overbearing, out of control government. If the government has semi auto, thirty round, mag fed weapons, it only seems right, that we should not be deprived the ability to own them.

Because some in our society chose to prey on others, is no reason to deny law abiding citizens their right, to own and bear arms in the defense of their person and property.

Guns shouldn't be held liable for the stupidity and evil, that lurks inside mankind. That evil, will be displayed without a gun. The kid in Chicago was bludgeoned and killed with boards, feet, fist, evil, and ignorance.

The improper use and handling of any gun, can screw up a life faster, then almost anything else.....but then, that applies to cars also.
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Rights do not come from government, the founders, in their wisdom recognized this. That is why the wording in the bill of rights does not say '...shall have the right' it says "the right...shall not be infringed" Man cannot grant a right, man can only deny a right. Everyone has a right to defend their life.

Listen to Ted Nugent explain it, he does it much more eloquently than I can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM
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Originally Posted by ScarabChris View Post
Yes I believe that is the rule, but I bet we would be shocked at the amount of felons that are out on the street with a gun in their pocket......and have been caught with them before.

The crime in this country is out of control these days. I don't think the citizens can rely on the law to protect them anymore. I think we're getting close to a self policing country....with the law at our back.

I'm so sick of hearing about another murder over 50 bucks on the news every day. These scum bags are killing innocent people just to steal a few bucks from a convenience store register.

If every store clerk had a 45 on their waist these robberies would diminish to almost nothing.
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i believe being a felon and getting busted with a firearm puts you back in the clink
Speaking from the middle, I completely agree. I don't own a gun, but I am seriously considering it. Crime is out of control where I live, and it's not south FL. There should be tight rules on ownership by felons, and the police should make it a priority to see that the laws are enforced. I'd be in favor of roadblocks in high crime areas to bust people with illegal guns. I know there will be cries of racism, but these are the areas where the crimes are occurring. I have no problem with waiting periods and background checks. It seems reasonable to me if it helps to control ownership.

Regarding assault weapons, it's like a fast car. Fun on the track but not real practical on the road. If a law-abiding citizen wants one I don't have a problem with it. If a felon is caught with one, use it on them.

I don't know what the penalty should be for a felon being caught with a gun. If we had the room I'd put-em away forever. My otherwise compassionate 16 year old would say no one would miss them.
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I've been carrying since 1972 when I got mugged, robbed and nearly beaten to death. I was 24 years old at the time. I never had a CCP until about 10 years ago. Here in Florida they are pretty easy to acquire compared to other places I've lived. Fast forward a bunch of years and I'm old and handi capped and I wouldn't survive another attack like the one in 72 and I'm no longer physically able to really defend myself or my family so the right to carry is even more important today. In my home there are 11 firearms ranging from 12 gauge shotguns to 22 revolver and they are all for personal protection. I don't hunt or target shoot anymore. These weapons sole purpose to defend my family. I do shoot the two concealed carry weapons about once a month just to remain comfortable with them. I've got to admit the only time since that incident in 1972 I've felt threatened or fearful was in the CCP class I attended with my daughter there were really some wackos in that class but I expect the same would hold true if you went to a boater safety course. I like the old saying "I'd rather be judged by a jury of 12 than carried to my final resting spot by 6 pallbearers."
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Originally Posted by Sprockets View Post
Speaking from the middle, I completely agree. I don't own a gun, but I am seriously considering it. Crime is out of control where I live, and it's not south FL. There should be tight rules on ownership by felons, and the police should make it a priority to see that the laws are enforced. I'd be in favor of roadblocks in high crime areas to bust people with illegal guns. I know there will be cries of racism, but these are the areas where the crimes are occurring. I have no problem with waiting periods and background checks. It seems reasonable to me if it helps to control ownership.

Regarding assault weapons, it's like a fast car. Fun on the track but not real practical on the road. If a law-abiding citizen wants one I don't have a problem with it. If a felon is caught with one, use it on them.

I don't know what the penalty should be for a felon being caught with a gun. If we had the room I'd put-em away forever. My otherwise compassionate 16 year old would say no one would miss them.
Assault weapons are the most practical They design centers around defense and assault. Nothing better for self defense
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There's no such thing as an 'Assault Weapon'.

Main Entry: 1as·sault
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈsȯlt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
Date: 14th century
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact — compare battery 1b b : rape 2

The term 'assault' implies an attack or offensive contact. If there was such a thing as an Assault Weapon, then there'd be distinct Defense Weapons. That's not the case. In military conflicts, both attackers and defenders would generally be using the same types of weapons. There are no Assualt/Defense versions of M-16s and/or AK-47s. "Assault Weapon" is just the media's term for a firearm when they need to add dramatic effect to a story. I've even seen it applied to pistols in some news articles just because the pistol happened to be black.

Other than that, I don't feel anyone with a clean record (no felonies) and a current clean bill of mental health (treated for depression 20 years ago as a teenager doesn't count) should be barred from possessing any personal firearm. Licenses issued for concealed carry are, IMO, justifiable, provided they are shall-issue (a valid reason must be provided to deny a license, not grant one).
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Originally Posted by LMychajluk View Post
There's no such thing as an 'Assault Weapon'.

Main Entry: 1as·sault
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈsȯlt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
Date: 14th century
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact — compare battery 1b b : rape 2

The term 'assault' implies an attack or offensive contact. If there was such a thing as an Assault Weapon, then there'd be distinct Defense Weapons. That's not the case. In military conflicts, both attackers and defenders would generally be using the same types of weapons. There are no Assualt/Defense versions of M-16s and/or AK-47s. "Assault Weapon" is just the media's term for a firearm when they need to add dramatic effect to a story. I've even seen it applied to pistols in some news articles just because the pistol happened to be black.

Other than that, I don't feel anyone with a clean record (no felonies) and a current clean bill of mental health (treated for depression 20 years ago as a teenager doesn't count) should be barred from possessing any personal firearm. Licenses issued for concealed carry are, IMO, justifiable, provided they are shall-issue (a valid reason must be provided to deny a license, not grant one).
I think the assault word is just meant to describe a weapon designed for military use in ground combat.
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Originally Posted by wildgeechi View Post
i hear there is a county in ga that requires all households have a firearm, and their crime rate is nonexistant
not a county... it is actually a city ordinance, but the City of Kennesaw requires that all households have a firearm, and you guessed it, their crime rate is significantly lower than the other surrounding areas with home invasions being virtually non-existent...
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I don't own a gun, my parents never owned guns, my grandparents didn't have guns, and my wife's family never had guns.

That being said, my personal feeling is the streets are full of drug dealers, and criminals who carry guns all the time. So a law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry as well.

As to assault weapons that is a difficult subject. In my mind there are some weapons that the average Joe just shouldn’t be able to walk into a store and buy, such as 105 mm Howitzer, or Browning 50 cal machine gun. I think most gun enthusiasts would agree with that as well. Along those same lines I also think full automatic mini machine guns should be illegal too, such as uzi’s or Tec-9’s. Some gun enthusiasts may disagree with that but I just think those weapons could cause too much harm in the wrong hands.

However, the problem with assault weapons bans is they get really fuzzy and lots of weapons end up being banned, including Revolutionary muskets because they have a bayonet lug. For the most part I feel like the politicians who write the assault weapon bans have know idea what they are doing, and are just trying to look good buy banning “scary looking” guns which they can show at a press conference.
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Originally Posted by wildgeechi View Post
I think the assault word is just meant to describe a weapon designed for military use in ground combat.
I think what you're referring to is an Assault Rifle, which is a selective-fire (switchable from semi- to full- automatic) rifle designed for the military.
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Originally Posted by LMychajluk View Post
I think what you're referring to is an Assault Rifle, which is a selective-fire (switchable from semi- to full- automatic) rifle designed for the military.
I'm pretty intimate with all infantry weapons. I'm a former Marine
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I think it should be easier to own guns and carry them than it currently is for law abiding citizens. I have no problems with reasonable background checks.

If you mean "assault weapons" as in military-style rifles and high capacity magazines, I have no problem with those either.

Hell, I think law abiding citizens should be able to buy new automatic rifles through a process similar to the current class III forms.

I'm a cop and have been for 10 years now. More often than not, legally-owned weapons are of no concern to me. Most folks who want to hurt other people or law enforcement officers haven't gotten their weapons legally.
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I don't own a gun, my parents never owned guns, my grandparents didn't have guns, and my wife's family never had guns.

That being said, my personal feeling is the streets are full of drug dealers, and criminals who carry guns all the time. So a law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry as well.

As to assault weapons that is a difficult subject. In my mind there are some weapons that the average Joe just shouldn’t be able to walk into a store and buy, such as 105 mm Howitzer, or Browning 50 cal machine gun. I think most gun enthusiasts would agree with that as well. Along those same lines I also think full automatic mini machine guns should be illegal too, such as uzi’s or Tec-9’s. Some gun enthusiasts may disagree with that but I just think those weapons could cause too much harm in the wrong hands.

However, the problem with assault weapons bans is they get really fuzzy and lots of weapons end up being banned, including Revolutionary muskets because they have a bayonet lug. For the most part I feel like the politicians who write the assault weapon bans have know idea what they are doing, and are just trying to look good buy banning “scary looking” guns which they can show at a press conference.
People should have the means to remove a tyrannical government. Iraqi and Afghans have shown that assault weapons are a critical part of that, however anything outside of infantry weapons are not necessary. If the gov't doesn't believe an armed populous will remove them from power using force if they abuse the power given them, then the gov't will inevitably move towards abusing that power
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What the public buys is not an Assault weapon or todays battle rifle. We buy the semi auto version which is just as menacing as a repeating deer rifle. No real difference other than the looks... Owning a true machine gun is alot of cost and much more requirements (hassle) than most people want to put up with. In 20 years of Law Enforcement I have only come up against a long gun a few times. The weapon of choice for your thugs is handguns, nothing else. Believe me when I tell you it is not the police that are not arresting these gun toting thugs it is the prosecution that is sometimes lacking. Many of the laws that are written to be tough on these kinds of offensives are side stepped by prosecutors somehow. The guns and laws are not the problems its the enforcement of the penalties

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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
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What the public buys is not an Assault weapon or todays battle rifle. We buy the semi auto version which is just as menacing as a repeating deer rifle. No real difference other than the looks... Owning a true machine gun is alot of cost and much more requirements (hassle) than most people want to put up with. In 20 years of Law Enforcement I have only came up against long guns a few times. The weapon of choice for your thugs is handguns, nothing else. Believe me when I tell you it is not the police that are not arresting these gun toting thugs is prosecution that is sometimes lacking. Many laws that are written to be tough on these kinds of offensives are side stepped by prosecutors somehow. The guns and laws are not the problems its the enforcement of the penalties
Thank you cracker the police are not the problem I know many and they always ask hey herb what are you packing today we always have a laugh.Today is the lack of people district attornies and there helpers who can not handel the case loads that these people are not put away. I hope in the future that every new lawyers that are in for crimnal law are made to serve an amount of time to the public as helper to the DA office as intern and make it manditory.

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