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Old 09-01-2009, 08:55 AM
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Pretty good article by Rick Reilly, What do you all think:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...ick&id=4347419
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Pretty good article, as are most of Reilly's.
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Yea, maybe he does do it a bit much but if thats the worse thing he does then I can live with that and thats coming from a person who is not a big fan of Tigers. I like Tiger and think he has been great for the game I just cheer against him because the TV announcers have such a love fest for him it drives me to cheer for anyone but Tiger.
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It's hard to tell what goes through this guys head. Jeez..he literally has everything. Everything. I guess at his level he fells he has to win all the time and can never hit a bad shot. I wasn't aware of him dropping all the F-bombs..
As the article mentioned, he has a huge younger following. Stop all the antics for them..
Not something I could ever remember from Jack, Arnie, Tom, Hale, Miller, Weiskoph, Trevino...they all played it like it was a gentlemens game.
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yeah...but it's golf. i learned enough curse words on the golf course during my teen years that i didn't blink twice at the language the sailors in my division used on my first navy ship. haha.

seriously, the saying "swears like a sailor" needs to be changed to "swears like a golfer."
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With as much money that's on the line for Tiger I think I would be into wrapping a club or two around a few trees. Personally it tells me Tiger is very competitive, within himself and with others.....and I like that.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
With as much money that's on the line for Tiger I think I would be into wrapping a club or two around a few trees. Personally it tells me Tiger is very competitive, within himself and with others.....and I like that.
More competetive than Nicholas, Palmer, Hogan, Snead??... I don't dislike Tiger but there's always a rationalization about this type of thing because he's Tiger. The announcers say things like, "he must really want it today"... He's the only one in the tournament who wants it?? The other players on the course don't throw clubs and curse because they don't want it as much??

It wouldn't bother me so much if there were some precedent in the Pro Tour for this behavior, but there isn't. He is the only high level golfer to EVER do it on the tour and he'll probably continue it because he's Tiger... and nobody is gonna stop him and the worst part is that I guarantee this become more normal and accepted behavior with other upcoming young players because of Tiger as well.
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He has a way to go before he can catches up with Jack Nicholsen truly the greatest golfer of our time.
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As popular as Tiger is with his poor attitude. Can you imagine how many people would love this guy if he would interact the fans. If he wasn't such a baby when he screws up or when he hears a camera go off.
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A mere sign of the times. Go into a bar lately ??? - all the bald headed dicks with gym muscles and earings using the F word right in front of the broads. How about a boat or any forum website and see people insult others they don't even know just for fun. The Seinfeld generation. Absent parents, cable news and totally unfiltered internet, games and media. Kids don't know what is real or not what is acceptable or what is decent. Noboday really works so there is no energy burn so you take it out on something like the computer or copy machine or golf club or martini or keyboard (loved that scene in Office Space ). Tiger is one of thousands of over paid spoiled brat athletes and entertainers. I watched golf on TV once.........yikes why not bowling or poker Martha Stewart or Monopoly.
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
A mere sign of the times.
Once again, he's the ONLY guy on the pro tour doing it so how is that a sign of the times? The only sign it is, is a dollar sign, the PGA doesnt want to upset their cash machine so they say nothing to him.
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He has a way to go before he can catches up with Jack Nicholsen truly the greatest golfer of our time.
I feel that Ben Horgan and Arnold Parker were every bit as good.
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Originally Posted by JEVLACH View Post
Once again, he's the ONLY guy on the pro tour doing it so how is that a sign of the times? The only sign it is, is a dollar sign, the PGA doesnt want to upset their cash machine so they say nothing to him.
Have no idea how others behave these days - but that article described spoiled brat behavior that is rampant everywhere - I do not follow golf - I would love to be able to play again . And - sure money IS the bottom line - like in every other place....
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I stopped watching tennis after McEnroe. The game has never been the same. I'm amazed that people don't realize that his rants had a very clear purpose. Tennis is a paced event, where momentum changes occur frequently.

When an opponent would start making grounds, McEnroe would start rolling around on the ground. Picture the effect on a pitcher if batters were allowed to do this. It's all part of the "win at any cost" mentallity so prevalent today...
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Originally Posted by JEVLACH View Post
Once again, he's the ONLY guy on the pro tour doing it so how is that a sign of the times? The only sign it is, is a dollar sign, the PGA doesnt want to upset their cash machine so they say nothing to him.
I agree.
Tiger is untouchable as long as he is on top. Just wait until he is no longer the Grand Poobah of golf and no longer having his a$$ kissed.
THEN we'll see just how classy he really is.
The other golf greats mentioned never sweared on the course? I doubt it.
you just never heard it. they were very aware of media/fans ears.
Just like Michael Jordan on the court, you could SEE him mouth certain words but seldon actually ever heard them.
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Originally Posted by Ray Zor View Post
I agree.
Tiger is untouchable as long as he is on top. Just wait until he is no longer the Grand Poobah of golf and no longer having his a$$ kissed.
THEN we'll see just how classy he really is.
The other golf greats mentioned never sweared on the course? I doubt it.
you just never heard it. they were very aware of media/fans ears.
Just like Michael Jordan on the court, you could SEE him mouth certain words but seldon actually ever heard them.
I've watched my share of golf over the years and have seen Tiger throw or otherwise slam is club in disgust many, many times. I don't recall ever seeing any of the other elite players doing this. As far as swearing, I think we can all agree there is swearing and there is swearing. I don't think anyone can be criticized for "damnit" or an "oh hell", as is evidenced by the fact that I can get away with typing it but can you picture Arnold Palmer or any other elite player laying the F-bombs? To me anyone who does that in front of kids, (which is what the galleries can be full of) is
low class, I don't care what his name is, JMO. And I don't think you can bring other sports into the discussion. Golf is called a gentleman's game for a reason. My son just finished taking lessons this year and the first thing they are taught is the etiquette on the course (thank goodness). Can you think of any other sport like that?
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I can't really criticize him on swearing. I just began playing again with my 14 year old son and unfortunately he has heard a few choice wordy dirds come out of my mouth. In fact I suspect he likes golf for the entertainmnet value of watching his old man. I really suck at the golf.
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I feel that Ben Horgan and Arnold Parker were every bit as good.
How can you list those guys and leave out Greg Normandy???
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Originally Posted by JEVLACH View Post
I've watched my share of golf over the years and have seen Tiger throw or otherwise slam is club in disgust many, many times. I don't recall ever seeing any of the other elite players doing this. As far as swearing, I think we can all agree there is swearing and there is swearing. I don't think anyone can be criticized for "damnit" or an "oh hell", as is evidenced by the fact that I can get away with typing it but can you picture Arnold Palmer or any other elite player laying the F-bombs? To me anyone who does that in front of kids, (which is what the galleries can be full of) is
low class, I don't care what his name is, JMO. And I don't think you can bring other sports into the discussion. Golf is called a gentleman's game for a reason. My son just finished taking lessons this year and the first thing they are taught is the etiquette on the course (thank goodness). Can you think of any other sport like that?
Exactly,
You quote "I don't recall ever seeing any of the other elite players doing ..."

SEEING is the main word here. We all do it, we just try to be selective.
And no, I cannot imagine seeing Palmer or any other elite player saying these things anymore than imagining the first "squeaky clean" Apollo astronauts dropping the F-Bomb. Did they? perhaps.
Neil Armstrong unedited moon landing:
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Tiger is a great golfer.

Having said that, my personal theory is this: ever since his dad Earl died, there has been no one to smack him on the butt, and keep him in line. I doubt any of those guys at Nike, or his other major sponsors, have the nerve to tell Tiger to straighten up and fly right. He has lost his father figure, and now he is being exposed as the man he really is. Perhaps the man he really isn't describes it better.

Now where it tprice on this thread? Surely he has an opinion on this...
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