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Old 08-31-2009, 08:56 AM
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http://www.ruralking.com/agriculture...rash-pump.html

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Old 08-31-2009, 09:03 AM
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I would think it would really depend on WHAT you are going to use it for. How OFTEN you would use it etc. For that price, I don't see how you could go wrong, really. It dosen't specify what brand the motor is...the most common is Honda, Briggs & Stratton...I believe. Do you know which it is or WHAT it is?? Still, seems like a decent bargin, but don't listen to me...for I know nothing.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:29 AM
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That would be just the ticket for setting pilings in the sand. Use it in a salt-water environment and throw it away when it dies in a couple of years.

Let us know how it works if you buy one. The price is amazing.
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Trash pumps are usually high volume/low pressure. Not sure that is what you would want for jetting in pilings, or fighting fires. What is your intended use?
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
That would be just the ticket for setting pilings in the sand. Use it in a salt-water environment and throw it away when it dies in a couple of years.

Let us know how it works if you buy one. The price is amazing.
I sink a few seasonal poles for emergency mooring and a few mushrooms from moorings at the start of the season in a local cove. In the past I've rented the pump from Home Depot, but the last time I rented it was a POS and it came out to like $80 -- figure I've rented it twice already, I could have owned it with one more rental. I can get the hose kit for $95 and the pump for $220 delivered. I don't sink them all that deep.

I know it is made in China, but I don't know the brand of the engine.

Since I'll be running salt water, what do you think is the best treatment for the pump? I figured spray the crap out of it with WD40 after use... but I'm open to suggestions...

I never even heard of the store. But I went for it. I know Northern Tool has one that is only $299 -- but I went cheap figuring if I get 3 years out of it, I'm almost even and don't have to spend time returning it, and I can use it when I please.
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Probably not a bad deal, engine is most likely made in China but if it goes you could exchange with a 5.5HP 3/4" shaft GC or GX Honda.
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Pete; I'd mix up a couple gallons of NeutriSalt or similar, then after I've washed the outside of the pump down with it, suck the remainder through the pump and let it sit in there for a day, then start the pump and suck fresh water through it until the gas runs out.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
I sink a few seasonal poles for emergency mooring and a few mushrooms from moorings at the start of the season in a local cove. In the past I've rented the pump from Home Depot, but the last time I rented it was a POS and it came out to like $80 -- figure I've rented it twice already, I could have owned it with one more rental. I can get the hose kit for $95 and the pump for $220 delivered. I don't sink them all that deep.

I know it is made in China, but I don't know the brand of the engine.

Since I'll be running salt water, what do you think is the best treatment for the pump? I figured spray the crap out of it with WD40 after use... but I'm open to suggestions...

I never even heard of the store. But I went for it. I know Northern Tool has one that is only $299 -- but I went cheap figuring if I get 3 years out of it, I'm almost even and don't have to spend time returning it, and I can use it when I please.
The engine looks like a imitation Honda, so if its from China, good luck getting parts, and it probably doesn't work as well either.
A few friends of mine do bulkhead work and i have never seen them use anything under 4" discharge, reduced to a 1 1/2" or 2" pipe for more pressure.
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Originally Posted by Deep Run View Post
The engine looks like a imitation Honda, so if its from China, good luck getting parts, and it probably doesn't work as well either.
A few friends of mine do bulkhead work and i have never seen them use anything under 4" discharge, reduced to a 1 1/2" or 2" pipe for more pressure.
I'm not looking to do bulkhead work! :D The setup I've used is the 2" port trash pump (The Home Depot Rental) going to a 3/4" steel pipe that we mashed the end down on to restrict it more and increase the speed.

Thanks for the tip on the rinse-out method. That's what I'll do then!
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Interesting..... I'd like to know more details how to set pilings using a pump like this.

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Interesting..... I'd like to know more details how to set pilings using a pump like this.

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You're displacing sand with the water jet. You set the piling on the sand and use the water stream to blow the sand that's under the piling; causing it to sink farther and farther into the sand.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
I'm not looking to do bulkhead work! :D The setup I've used is the 2" port trash pump (The Home Depot Rental) going to a 3/4" steel pipe that we mashed the end down on to restrict it more and increase the speed.

Thanks for the tip on the rinse-out method. That's what I'll do then!
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Contractors are in such bad shape these days you could probably buy a lightly used honda for that price, look on E Bay or Craigs list.
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that is a china engine there is a huge law suit going on with honda and china over it now it is cheap and desposable.
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I looked on Craigs. Nothing. It looked on eBay and did find this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-5HP-2-Trash-Wa...d=p3286.c0.m14

I like the idea of buying it from a store where I have SOME recourse if it turns out to be a total POS. But the ebay one is even cheaper with bing.com money.

Take a look...

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Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
that is a china engine there is a huge law suit going on with honda and china over it now it is cheap and desposable.
So China dupped the Honda motor?

What's the scoop? Crap, decent? With moderate/low use and good care will it get the job done?
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
I looked on Craigs. Nothing. It looked on eBay and did find this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-5HP-2-Trash-Wa...d=p3286.c0.m14

I like the idea of buying it from a store where I have SOME recourse if it turns out to be a total POS. But the ebay one is even cheaper with bing.com money.

Take a look...

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The pump on this model looks bigger then the china model, and it must be because this model pumps 16000 gal an hour VS the china one at 8700 GPH, never heard of a JF Motor.
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The pump on this model looks bigger then the china model, and it must be because this model pumps 16000 gal an hour VS the china one at 8700 GPH, never heard of a JF Motor.
That's what I noticed. I'm curious as to if that can be right or not... nice most of the 2" with a 5-6ish HP motor pump in the 8-9K range...

The *best* Honda / Northstar combo I can find does 11,100 GPH with a 2" port and that's $850. So I have to really wonder how real that number is...
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Here's the motor:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroo...-JF200-E-.html
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
That's what I noticed. I'm curious as to if that can be right or not... nice most of the 2" with a 5-6ish HP motor pump in the 8-9K range...

The *best* Honda / Northstar combo I can find does 11,100 GPH with a 2" port and that's $850. So I have to really wonder how real that number is...
Those numbers don't work, 550 liters per min = 33,000 hr thats aprox 8250 gallons [liter to gallon .26]
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Originally Posted by Deep Run View Post
Those numbers don't work, 550 liters per min = 33,000 hr thats aprox 8250 gallons [liter to gallon .26]
You're right!

550 liters per min. = 145 gal. per min

60 minutes in an hour = 8700 gal in an hour

THAT seems more like it.

All the more reason I didn't feel comfy buying it from them.

We'll see how it goes when I have it...
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