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I tried searching online including the us.gov but there were 10 million pages and could not find what I was looking for.

I know anything over 40 hours is over time(time and 1/2) I was wondering what kind of pay is Saturday and Sunday? and what about the 10 holidays is that double time??

say Mon-Fri I work 40 hours....come Sunday is it time and 1/2 plus weekend pay? so could it come out to being double time and a 1/2???

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What kind of job?

If you are a salaried (known as exempt) employee you don't get overtime, fedral Government or not.
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Sealift command, yes they get over time. Most of the pay is over time, that's why base pay is so low, for entree level 22 grand but since they are out at sea for 4-10 months 12 hour days 7 days a week most of there pay is over time and they end up making 40-60 grand!!!
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What kind of job?

If you are a salaried (known as exempt) employee you don't get overtime, fedral Government or not.

That's the 'classic' definition of a salaried employee. OT pay for a salaried employee, if any, depends on state laws. There is a reason why a company doesn't make everyone a salaried employee to prevent from having to pay any employee OT.
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Call the local office of Wage and Hour division of the Dept of Labor for the applicable regulations in your state. This is a real issue in many businesses. Many businesses have used policies that provide a 40 hour workweek but violate standards of employment established by the various state and Fed regulatory bodies.
Generally accepted principals are that unless you have a regularly scheduled 4/10 workshift, overtime is applied at the rate of 1 1/2 times of the regular pay for over 8 hours per day or 40 hours per week. That being said , unless the work week is reasonable I would not pay extended shift pay. If you hire someone for 1 day per week for a 10 hour shift I would not pay any overtime. If someone is working 3 ten hour days to avoid the employer from having to pay health insurance then yes....pay the overtime. JMHO
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Originally Posted by Jdizzle View Post
I tried searching online including the us.gov but there were 10 million pages and could not find what I was looking for.

I know anything over 40 hours is over time(time and 1/2) I was wondering what kind of pay is Saturday and Sunday? and what about the 10 holidays is that double time??

say Mon-Fri I work 40 hours....come Sunday is it time and 1/2 plus weekend pay? so could it come out to being double time and a 1/2???

Thanks Dizzle
I work for the feds. Search www.opm.gov Search for wage schedules.

A basic answer for G. S. (general schedule) employees, your pay is eligible for shift differential .15 for work nights and Saturday. Sunday has a higher premium.

Overtime is time and 1/2 unless you are in the higher grades, then you run into a cap. Plus, with budgets tight, the Feds would rather send you home, and not accrue overtime than get the work done. So don't expect any overtime. (Don't believe me--go to work for the feds)

opm.gov will give you an introduction to the byzantine world of federal pay.
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Originally Posted by dssmith View Post
I work for the feds. Search www.opm.gov Search for wage schedules.

A basic answer for G. S. (general schedule) employees, your pay is eligible for shift differential .15 for work nights and Saturday. Sunday has a higher premium.

Overtime is time and 1/2 unless you are in the higher grades, then you run into a cap. Plus, with budgets tight, the Feds would rather send you home, and not accrue overtime than get the work done. So don't expect any overtime. (Don't believe me--go to work for the feds)

opm.gov will give you an introduction to the byzantine world of federal pay.
I should have mentioned the company is military sealift command and you are on a ship for a minimum of 4 months at a time and working 12 hours a day 7 days a week so the majority of you pay is by overtime so that's why I was wondering how much is over time pay for the weekends and holidays
From what i have been told by people who have worked for them, the amount of over time available is unlimited for the most part!!!!
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Is it safe to assume that spelling Federal is NOT a requirement of being a Federal worker any longer? Not exactly breaking news here, but.....
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I am in the Navy and I sailed on a USNS or MSC ship as most would know them as and those guys made great money, alot of work but you get paid good. There would be times that we start an UNREP at 2300 and it would be considered overtime but if the UNREP went into the next day they would get an additional amount of over time. Even an able body seaman makes pretty decent money. If you can get into the comm shack thats where the big bucks are or on the bridge. We were on an AOE which is the biggest they have and not everyone had there own stateroom so most had to stay in general Navy style berthing and they actually got paid extra for having to sleep in what they called inhabitable environments. Funny how that works out. All in All it is a pretty good life but I will say they are gone alot and that 4 months at sea is not always the case it is a one for one swap so there has to be someone avail to replace you......
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I am in the Navy and I sailed on a USNS or MSC ship as most would know them as and those guys made great money, alot of work but you get paid good. There would be times that we start an UNREP at 2300 and it would be considered overtime but if the UNREP went into the next day they would get an additional amount of over time. Even an able body seaman makes pretty decent money. If you can get into the comm shack thats where the big bucks are or on the bridge. We were on an AOE which is the biggest they have and not everyone had there own stateroom so most had to stay in general Navy style berthing and they actually got paid extra for having to sleep in what they called inhabitable environments. Funny how that works out. All in All it is a pretty good life but I will say they are gone alot and that 4 months at sea is not always the case it is a one for one swap so there has to be someone avail to replace you......
Thanks for the reply...Your gonna laugh but I qualify to be an AB but I applied for supply/utility bottom of the barrel position because it was the only thing opened and os/ab are not going to open for a while. Work is soooo hard to find out there and I want job security so I figured I would take a pay cut the first year or two until I could move up and fill and os/ab position.
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Originally Posted by Jdizzle View Post
I should have mentioned the company is military sealift command and you are on a ship for a minimum of 4 months at a time and working 12 hours a day 7 days a week so the majority of you pay is by overtime so that's why I was wondering how much is over time pay for the weekends and holidays
From what i have been told by people who have worked for them, the amount of over time available is unlimited for the most part!!!!
You may wish to check and ascertain if this is working for a contractor to the federal government or whether this is a federal government job. Huge difference.
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I tried searching online including the us.gov but there were 10 million pages and could not find what I was looking for.

I know anything over 40 hours is over time(time and 1/2) I was wondering what kind of pay is Saturday and Sunday? and what about the 10 holidays is that double time?? Saturday no extra - Sunday premium is 25% above regular pay. If you work nights and your shift starts on Saturday and carries over into Sunday morning, the whole shift will be paid as Sunday Premium. Night differential of 10% between the hours of 1800 and 0600. Holidays are double time.

say Mon-Fri I work 40 hours....come Sunday is it time and 1/2 plus weekend pay? so could it come out to being double time and a 1/2??? No, it would not come out to be double time - regular time plus 25%

The overtime regulations vary depending upon whether you are in the new NSPS system or the old GS system.
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Originally Posted by cudacat View Post
I tried searching online including the us.gov but there were 10 million pages and could not find what I was looking for.

I know anything over 40 hours is over time(time and 1/2) I was wondering what kind of pay is Saturday and Sunday? and what about the 10 holidays is that double time?? Saturday no extra - Sunday premium is 25% above regular pay. If you work nights and your shift starts on Saturday and carries over into Sunday morning, the whole shift will be paid as Sunday Premium. Night differential of 10% between the hours of 1800 and 0600. Holidays are double time.

say Mon-Fri I work 40 hours....come Sunday is it time and 1/2 plus weekend pay? so could it come out to being double time and a 1/2??? No, it would not come out to be double time - regular time plus 25%


The overtime regulations vary depending upon whether you are in the new NSPS system or the old GS system.
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jdizzle, heres the link i think you really need to look at:

http://www.msc.navy.mil/civmar/payroll.htm

you can look at ANYBODYS pay check, on ANY class of ship, east coast or west coast....its all public knowledge.

FYI, Im a cargo mate on an MSC tanker, rumors have it the "pool" on the East Coast is short of O/S's so if you apply as an SU and get hired, be sure to push the fact that your a qualified OS (or AB) to the detailers aka Marine Placement Specialist at the CSU East when (and if) you get hired on.

MSC is a good job, its bought me a house, 3 different boats, payed for lots of "stuff".....most of which are memories they bought off me in exchange for being at sea vs at home with the new wife (and boats!!)

But it is a solid job, money is good, and if your luck enough to live anywhere close to the Norfolk VA area, you'll be home alot more than the rest of us.

BTW, pay scales as far as MSC goes are figured on 112hr work weeks you basically take the base (FOR THE SHIP!!!) youre assigned to (understand that your "base pay" changes considerably from the PERM rate vs the assigned ship rate) but the best way to figure it is....pic a ship, lets say you get assigned to an AOE, the USNS SUPPLY....take that base rate figure, divide it by 26 (26='s # of pay periods per year) so after looking at the sheet online: SU base rate on SUPPLY is $25,520/26=$981per paycheck + (est, min 32hrs OT per payperiod) $617 in OT= $1598/pay check, gross, now thats for an ENTRY LEVEL rating, and figuring MINIMAL OT per paycheck, dont forget that on an AOE or AKE you make an additional 10% applied to you base pay if you have over 500Tons of Ammo onboard & on the AOE's you have a bonus for living in "open berthing" which I hear ='s about $1000/mth ( aint worth it to me, i enjoy my own room as an officer on the ship, but even still, you couldnt pay me enough to have to sleep with 5 other loud, stinking, God knows what else MSC guys!!!)

SO, theres all sorts of ins and outs to MSC life, lets keep in mind that while youre awaiting assignment in the CSU-East, your making your base pay + S&Q (roughly $260every week)+free hotel & travel to and from (via bus), all of that is while your just sitting around waiting for a job on a ship to open up. If youre in training, its paid for as well, as is all the above mentioned items, except instead of being in Norfolk, you'll be in the BEAUTIFUL Earl NJ.

If you can get hired on, come on, stay away from the "pool rats" (the guys that have figured out how to stay in the pool 24-7 and avoid actaully deploying onto ships) Get onboard a ship, bug the Chief Mate & Cargo Mate about training and upgrades and working on an UNREP team, show you ACTAULLY care about getting better at the job, you'll do great.

Good Luck man, like i siad, rumors have it theres a shortage of O/S's right now, so if you get hired on as an SU, bug your detailer with the fact you have an AB ticket and would "like" to sail as an OS if theres an open billet.....I need 3 onboard my ship as we speak!!

Good Luck
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Originally Posted by walden75 View Post
jdizzle, heres the link i think you really need to look at:

http://www.msc.navy.mil/civmar/payroll.htm

you can look at ANYBODYS pay check, on ANY class of ship, east coast or west coast....its all public knowledge.

FYI, Im a cargo mate on an MSC tanker, rumors have it the "pool" on the East Coast is short of O/S's so if you apply as an SU and get hired, be sure to push the fact that your a qualified OS (or AB) to the detailers aka Marine Placement Specialist at the CSU East when (and if) you get hired on.

MSC is a good job, its bought me a house, 3 different boats, payed for lots of "stuff".....most of which are memories they bought off me in exchange for being at sea vs at home with the new wife (and boats!!)

But it is a solid job, money is good, and if your luck enough to live anywhere close to the Norfolk VA area, you'll be home alot more than the rest of us.

BTW, pay scales as far as MSC goes are figured on 112hr work weeks you basically take the base (FOR THE SHIP!!!) youre assigned to (understand that your "base pay" changes considerably from the PERM rate vs the assigned ship rate) but the best way to figure it is....pic a ship, lets say you get assigned to an AOE, the USNS SUPPLY....take that base rate figure, divide it by 26 (26='s # of pay periods per year) so after looking at the sheet online: SU base rate on SUPPLY is $25,520/26=$981per paycheck + (est, min 32hrs OT per payperiod) $617 in OT= $1598/pay check, gross, now thats for an ENTRY LEVEL rating, and figuring MINIMAL OT per paycheck, dont forget that on an AOE or AKE you make an additional 10% applied to you base pay if you have over 500Tons of Ammo onboard & on the AOE's you have a bonus for living in "open berthing" which I hear ='s about $1000/mth ( aint worth it to me, i enjoy my own room as an officer on the ship, but even still, you couldnt pay me enough to have to sleep with 5 other loud, stinking, God knows what else MSC guys!!!)

SO, theres all sorts of ins and outs to MSC life, lets keep in mind that while youre awaiting assignment in the CSU-East, your making your base pay + S&Q (roughly $260every week)+free hotel & travel to and from (via bus), all of that is while your just sitting around waiting for a job on a ship to open up. If youre in training, its paid for as well, as is all the above mentioned items, except instead of being in Norfolk, you'll be in the BEAUTIFUL Earl NJ.

If you can get hired on, come on, stay away from the "pool rats" (the guys that have figured out how to stay in the pool 24-7 and avoid actaully deploying onto ships) Get onboard a ship, bug the Chief Mate & Cargo Mate about training and upgrades and working on an UNREP team, show you ACTAULLY care about getting better at the job, you'll do great.

Good Luck man, like i siad, rumors have it theres a shortage of O/S's right now, so if you get hired on as an SU, bug your detailer with the fact you have an AB ticket and would "like" to sail as an OS if theres an open billet.....I need 3 onboard my ship as we speak!!

Good Luck
Thanks for the great reply!!! I hope you don't mind me asking you a few questions about you experiences on board, The MSC recruited are 3rd party hires and just read answers out of a book and can not give first hand experience answers.

The only reason I applied for SU is because the economy and job market BLOWS and I need some good pay and job security.
What do you think my chances are to get hire as SU? I have 50ton, stcw(bst), AB, Lifeboatmen and the KSA's were..........

1. Knowledge of general housekeeping, janitorial and cleaning services.
2. Knowledge of basic food handling, sanitation, preparation and serving functions.
3. Knowledge of basic receipt, stow, issue/breakout and inventory processing for subsistence items and stock materianls

I have been in restraunts for 7 years everything from cook/bookkeeping/cleaning/ordering/manager So I think my KSA's sound good for the position.
I think my chances are good because I figued most people who apply for the position just have TWIC, and MMD....so what do you think my chances are?

Say I do sign on as SU if I want to upgrade to OS can I do it right there on the ship? Or do I have to wait till my 4-10 month tour is over or have to wait till an OS position opend and have to re submit another application and go throught admitions again?

As far as OT go my worst fear is being on a boat and having very limited OT and walking away with 10 grand in OT on top of my base and making 32K a year.....that would suck!!! I wanna work 12-14 hour days and make 50K+ a year, entry level!!! Hope you don't mind me shooting you some PM's and asking some questions??

Jeff a.k.a. Dizzle
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