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Old 03-31-2009, 02:50 PM
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I do not have to be a smoker to vehemently disagree with the whole tobacco tax scheme. Now, enter one of the biggest federal tax hikes in history!

After midnight Tuesday the federal tax on a pack of cigarettes jumped from 39 cents to a dollar and from two cents to 50 cents for small cigars. The tax on loose cigarette tobacco skyrocketed from $1.98 a pound to $24.78, potentially wiping out the market for roll-your-own cigarette smokers.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/...bacco_tax.html




I read something a couple weeks ago that tobacco companies hiked prices on their products in advance of the tax hike, in anticipation of a fall off sales. Can people still buy tobacco from American Indian's to avoid the federal tobacco taxes?

I have no idea how this will impact my occasional indulgence of an Avo #2.
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
I do not have to be a smoker to vehemently disagree with the whole tobacco tax scheme. Now, enter one of the biggest federal tax hikes in history!

After midnight Tuesday the federal tax on a pack of cigarettes jumped from 39 cents to a dollar and from two cents to 50 cents for small cigars. The tax on loose cigarette tobacco skyrocketed from $1.98 a pound to $24.78, potentially wiping out the market for roll-your-own cigarette smokers.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/...bacco_tax.html




I read something a couple weeks ago that tobacco companies hiked prices on their products in advance of the tax hike, in anticipation of a fall off sales. Can people still buy tobacco from American Indian's to avoid the federal tobacco taxes?

I have no idea how this will impact my occasional indulgence of an Avo #2.
Both of my parents died from smoking-related diseases; my father at age 50 and my mother at 74. Watching a loved one slowly die from lung cancer is not pretty.

If the taxes on tobacco were raised to $20/pack or even $20 a cigarette, I wouldn't care. You don't want to pay it? Don't smoke. That's the whole idea.

Oh yeah... you forgot to add me to your banned list.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post

If the taxes on tobacco were raised to $20/pack or even $20 a cigarette, I wouldn't care. You don't want to pay it? Don't smoke. That's the whole idea.

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Thats a shame about your parents, truely it is. I too have watched friends & family die as a result of cigs.
BUT...still, this is wrong to tax the crap out of the things.
You comment I quoted above is the REASON why. You can take that logic and apply it to so many other things...for instance, the gov't wanting to raise tax on AMMO so the average bloke won't be able to afford to buy it...as you said "That's the whole idea"...yeah, your right, and THAT'S what scares me about where it's all headed.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
Watching a loved one slowly die from lung cancer is not pretty.

If the taxes on tobacco were raised to $20/pack or even $20 a cigarette, I wouldn't care. You don't want to pay it? Don't smoke. That's the whole idea.
Having watched a Grandfather slowly die from throat cancer I can certainly understand your point but allowing the government to direct our actions through taxes is not the answer. With a similar sentiment to the poem below, it may not be cig, guns, gas, small business, etc that you are worried about but eventually the government will get around to dening you of something that a freeman should beable to decide for themselves.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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sounds like an market for bootleggers
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Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
sounds like an market for bootleggers
It has been for years. They're called "indian reservations."
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Originally Posted by bsmit24 View Post
Having watched a Grandfather slowly die from throat cancer I can certainly understand your point but allowing the government to direct our actions through taxes is not the answer. With a similar sentiment to the poem below, it may not be cig, guns, gas, small business, etc that you are worried about but eventually the government will get around to dening you of something that a freeman should beable to decide for themselves.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

THAT'S the poem I wanted to write, but couldn't remember it...oh, old age! That old poem says it ALL!
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What were some of you saying abut socialist Canada, well buckle up tight because your guy is just warming up! And yes the res sell tobacco products at a fraction of the cost.
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Wasn't it a tax law that made weed illegal? That's worked out real good, right?

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This is so UN-American. Yes the health issues are facts however another freedom is being taken away. What is weird, or not so weird, is the govt. is trying to stop the use of tobacco and soon, marijuana will be accepted on a federal level. I think the govt. wants everyone to be stoned out of our frickin' minds so we will NOT care to revolt.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post

If the taxes on tobacco were raised to $20/pack or even $20 a cigarette, I wouldn't care. You don't want to pay it? Don't smoke. That's the whole idea.

Good point! And since hamburger has more fat in it than you need, what do you think -- $2/lb tax on hamburger?!? And maybe a $1/item tax on anything with sugar in it ... let's see, coffee -- I think there is room for lots of additional tax on coffee.

Wait, this isn't fair to those that can control their habits. Let's just tax fat people, they are a potential burden to everyone's cost of health care. In fact, that is exactly what Japan started doing last year. They introduced a tax on fat people because their health care costs more.

$2/lb per month tax on fat people -- should be enough to cover the cost of any govt heath care program.

Fwiw, the tobacco tax is NOT about getting people to quit, it is about generating revenue. They don't want tobacco users to quit. If everyone quit, the govt would lose all of the revenue, $billions, generated from tobacco tax. To get folks to quit smoking the govt need only make cigarettes illegal. That would get 99% of the people to quit.
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Just think how much money the US could bring in with a fat persons tax! We could balance the budget and pay off the debt in a year or two.
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Just the beginning-- I don't smoke --- next maybe sex- -- who know what!!!
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Fwiw, the tobacco tax is NOT about getting people to quit, it is about generating revenue. They don't want tobacco users to quit. If everyone quit, the govt would lose all of the revenue, $billions, generated from tobacco tax. To get folks to quit smoking the govt need only make cigarettes illegal. That would get 99% of the people to quit.
You are absolutely right...and just where is the government going to get the money to fund the programs that these tabacco taxes pay for when all the tobacco users STOP (or dramatically decrease) using tobacco and their revenue stream dries up?
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The ironic thing is, it's regressive taxation, that will hurt the PO folk who are the highest percentage of smokers. Isn't that the group BO's trying to save? ;? For those that DO smoke it will sure wipe out that wonderful tax cut.
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Originally Posted by jeremyj View Post
You are absolutely right...and just where is the government going to get the money to fund the programs that these tabacco taxes pay for when all the tobacco users STOP (or dramatically decrease) using tobacco and their revenue stream dries up?
They never think that far ahead.
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"the power to tax involves the power to destroy" Chief Justice John Marshall said in McCulloch v. Maryland. The federal government refused to let the states tax federal entities for this reason, now they are killing us with them. Everything in excess is bad for you, you can die from drinking too much water, so if you use the "it's bad for you" arguement then you are signing your own "death" warrant.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
Both of my parents died from smoking-related diseases; my father at age 50 and my mother at 74. Watching a loved one slowly die from lung cancer is not pretty.

If the taxes on tobacco were raised to $20/pack or even $20 a cigarette, I wouldn't care. You don't want to pay it? Don't smoke. That's the whole idea.

Oh yeah... you forgot to add me to your banned list.
Please define related.Nothing personal but smoking is a personal choice at least it is when you first start. .Pat
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Please define related.Nothing personal but smoking is a personal choice at least it is when you first start. .Pat
It is a personal choice every time someone decides to light up. Been there done that.
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Funny how osama is out of the country right now.

Next we'll pass the cap-n-trade debacle....

You dirty Americans can't use your electricity anymore.

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