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Old 03-31-2009, 07:09 AM
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this is worth spending some time with. It's just one part of a series, too.
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http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/phot...220600,00.html
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Thats some funny stuff!!
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I've only made it through about 1/2 of the series so far and all I can say is WOOOW!!!!!!! I have been in the Electrical Field for 15 years now and I can tell ya that there is alot of dumb@$$es out there.

There was this one job we went to to check the power coming in to the house ( only 1/2 the house was working) but when we got there we noticed that the homeowner and his brother-in-law decided to put a shower in the laundry room. No big deal right?????? Wrong... They install the shower around the panel box. Then used some thick plastic to cover the panel with to keep the water out. How stupid can someone be????
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That's not to scary.
My last home when I bought it had a 60 amp panel with 2 (two) 15 amp fuses w/ pennies under them. The house consisted of main floor with a full downstairs. When I bought the house it had 47 (that's right forty-seven) extension cords supplying everything. And to make matters worse, they were not approved extension cords either, 95% of them were homemade cords made out of the cheapest lamp cord one could buy. The house had a good dozen or so cheap extension cord junction outlets so the home owners could tie all those extension cords together and of coarse they were laying all over the place on the carpeted floor at the baseboards. The people I bought the house off of treated their home as if there were at least a dozen proper electrical circuits in it. When I gutted the place (the first day I got the keys) I came across two HEAVILY charred wires in the walls that I don't know how they didn't burn the house down to the ground???????? After I rewired the place I had a 200 amp panel with around 25-30 circuits.
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Well this isnt to scary (well maybe a little )
We did some remodeling work on a house that was built in the 20's. The old man that use to own it did some electrical upgrades during his time there. We were replacing the panel box and tracing out wires to determine were they all went. Well we get under the house and trace a 6-2 wire over to a wall in the bedroom. We go into the bedroom and search for the source of what the wire must serve. Nothing at all was there. So we go up in the attic and get right above the wall that the wire was going up into. There are 4 12-2 BX cables coming up. Huuummmmm????????
Well come to find out the old owner decided to put up paneling and covered over an old fuse panel. Its not like he didnt know it was there. He even removed the cover of the fuse panel so that the paneling would sit flush....
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post
They install the shower around the panel box. Then used some thick plastic to cover the panel with to keep the water out. How stupid can someone be????
Now that's some f#@ked up sh!t!
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post
Huuummmmm????????
Well come to find out the old owner decided to put up paneling and covered over an old fuse panel. Its not like he didnt know it was there. He even removed the cover of the fuse panel so that the paneling would sit flush....
For some reason I think that guy is lurking around here. ;? I'm almost certain he's asked a few electrical questions but didn't like the solid advice he received and did it his way anyways. And if I'm not mistaken, that guy has a few brothers as well.
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My BIL does commercial electrical service work in DC. One of his first calls to a DC hospital several years ago was for fuses that kept blowing. Not breakers, fuses. So he gets there and the "Engineer" says that these fuses have been blowing on and off for about 8 months and he finally ran out of pipe and decided to have the issue looked at. My BIL is thinking "He ran out of pipe? WTF does that mean?"
So he gets to the electrical room and there are 4 BIG panels and he opens one and there are about 12 fuse locations that, instead of having a fuse, they have approx. 2" long x 3/8" copper pipe that they put in place of the fuses!!
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My BIL does commercial electrical service work in DC. One of his first calls to a DC hospital several years ago was for fuses that kept blowing. Not breakers, fuses. So he gets there and the "Engineer" says that these fuses have been blowing on and off for about 8 months and he finally ran out of pipe and decided to have the issue looked at. My BIL is thinking "He ran out of pipe? WTF does that mean?"
So he gets to the electrical room and there are 4 BIG panels and he opens one and there are about 12 fuse locations that, instead of having a fuse, they have approx. 2" long x 3/8" copper pipe that they put in place of the fuses!!
WOW...........I hope they fired that guy
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You guys just stay the hell out of my house will ya!
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You guys just stay the hell out of my house will ya!

You afraid of what we might find;?
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post
You afraid of what we might find;?
Might? Somebody has already taken pictures and posted them on the internet.

After one electrical fire in my kitchen, I started rewiring as I remodeled. My wife did not like my progress and constantly questioned my knowledge so I agreed to hire a contractor who came recommended by several people was liscense and bonded and pulled permits which I had not been doing. Well, I had a problem after he left and climbed into the attack to check it out. WTF is all I can say period! I would have been better off hiring some highschool kids to to the work and inspecting it myself.

But the most dangerous was my uncles house that was originally natural gas only and was retro fitted for electric lights in the 1920's. Under the house was bare wire and knob that made a run down the middle of the house and then a few cross runs. The outlets and lights were powered with individual wires that dropped down the walls and were stripped and wrapped around the bare runs. It worked for sixty years but GOD help you if you accidently touched one while working under the house.
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Thats the old Knob and Tube style wiring....... God I hate that $hit...
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post
Thats the old Knob and Tube style wiring....... God I hate that $hit...
Yeah me too!! I did a nice kitchen renovation in an old historic home about 5 years ago. Those bare wires were concealed within a piece of wooden trim that looked like lattice strip with a beaded piece that covered it. It looked just like some kind of decorative trim that they put under the crown moulding! Guess what it did to the claw of Estwing!
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Originally Posted by Just1more View Post
Yeah me too!! I did a nice kitchen renovation in an old historic home about 5 years ago. Those bare wires were concealed within a piece of wooden trim that looked like lattice strip with a beaded piece that covered it. It looked just like some kind of decorative trim that they put under the crown moulding! Guess what it did to the claw of Estwing!
Found a few fried squirles in the attic of old house because of that stuff... Definately an attic you dont want to trip and fall in
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post
Thats the old Knob and Tube style wiring....... God I hate that $hit...

Last year I converted an old restaurant into a arcade. The turn of the century building was a restaurant on the main floor, storage and office space on the second floor with living quarters on the third. The building also had a full basement. The more I chased wires the more panels I uncovered. There were 7 in total. Some where in the floor, in walls and one was even behind a cupboard.
The owner was getting kind of peeved with me on how long it was taking me....there was five generations of wiring and wires were running from the 3rd floor down to the basement and every other way you could imagine. There was no rhyme or reason to any of it....I fried several pair of side cutters on that job. I ended up calling in Hydro to kill the power to the building..........only to find the restaurant was still live in places.......there was power coming in from the adjoining business.
That job was a frigging nightmare, until I convince the owner to open up his wallet and let me gut the place.....I convinced him there was really no other safe way to do it.....that’s when I found the one panel in the floor and the other behind a cabinet on the wall.
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Originally Posted by trrooster View Post

We did some remodeling work on a house that was built in the 20's. ... Well come to find out the old owner decided to put up paneling and covered over an old fuse panel. Its not like he didnt know it was there. He even removed the cover of the fuse panel so that the paneling would sit flush....

It makes sense. If the house was that old the fuse panel was built into the wall, lined with asbestos. The panel door would also have an asbestos lining. You can either pay a haz mat removal service to come out and remove the asbestos, or you can leave it and wall over it.
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I ended up calling in Hydro to kill the power to the building..........only to find the restaurant was still live in places.......there was power coming in from the adjoining business.
Did he want you to leave the "free power"?

I got shocked in my gf old condo with a similar problem. One wall outlet was jumped off of the neighbors panel and I did not check it for power while working because I had flipped the main to kill everything or so I thought.
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Found a few fried squirles in the attic of old house because of that stuff... Definately an attic you dont want to trip and fall in

Been in a few of those attics myself! Great place to send the FNG!!!
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Did he want you to leave the "free power"?

I got shocked in my gf old condo with a similar problem. One wall outlet was jumped off of the neighbors panel and I did not check it for power while working because I had flipped the main to kill everything or so I thought.
I don't remember what was said. But I do know he was to old to talk to him about having his own little grow operation.

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