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Old 03-29-2009, 12:54 PM
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This is not new, but since I had not heard of the issue I thought others may not be aware of the risk

Apparently the PVC liners on some soft coolers & kids lunch boxes
have a very high lead content.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/b...in-lead_ov.htm

Lead can be detected with a simple home test kit available at hardware stores. I couldn't find one at the Home Center stores, but the local ACE Hardware had them

http://www.leadcheck.com/retail.shtml

Pink shows that the item tests positive for lead




Since I have bought several soft coolers at boat shows through the years, I decided to test them. 2 of them tested positive for lead

Both were from the same manufacturer, so I called them up to see how they would handle the situation. I was put right thru to the President of the company . I asked if he was aware of the lead contamination issue of cooler linings, and he told me he had never heard of the issue. I explained that I had 2 coolers that were manufactured by his company and that they tested positive for lead.

He immediately became enraged and told me that there was no way that the liners could contain lead. I asked him how was it that his coolers tested positive and other coolers did not ? He continued yelling that obviously the testing was wrong.

I asked him if he would replace the coolers since I would not use them since they tested positive for lead. He refused to replace them. He also called me back several more times over the course of a week threatening all sorts of things if I didn't drop the issue (after the call ,I had dropped the issue).

Well, I wasn't planning to do anything other than throw them away, but since he threatened, I told him I would be bringing his coolers to every Boat Show I attended with big signs showing his company name and that their coolers are contaminated with lead

I don't have time to do such things, but if anyone here sells soft coolers & wants one that test positive for lead for a display, let me know. I'll ship it to you at no charge

Check your coolers & kid's lunch boxes & and sure that they aren't contaminated with lead

Oh, and don't buy products from Horizons Ltd in Conyers, GA.

http://www.softcoolers.com/
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I have 2 of the same coolers from the same company but have yet to test them. What's the guy's name and number???

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Originally Posted by Elusive View Post

Since I have bought several soft coolers at boat shows through the years, I decided to test them. 2 of them tested positive for lead ...

Check your coolers & kid's lunch boxes & and sure that they aren't contaminated with lead

Oh, and don't buy products from Horizons Ltd in Conyers, GA.

Excellent reporting there, Ace, thanks!

Quick question; how does the lead test kit work -- I mean, is it possible to get a false positive indication of lead when there really isn't any lead present?


ETA: I've been looking into this a little more -- seems the coolers with the lead were made in China. Go figure.

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without knowing anything about that test, I'd say from a chemist's point of view its pretty easy to make something that only turns yellow from a reaction with lead
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Don't remember they guy's name. Phone number is on the website

I wouldn't bet my life that a $12 test is 100% accurate, but the fact that 2 coolers tested positive & 2 tested negative was good enough for me
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You may figure you've already put more time in on this than you wanted to, but maybe you should send this info, or a link to this thread, to the Consumer Products Safety Commission. They've got a website.
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I had a renter take one of those test kits and tell me my walls and cabinets had lead paint. I even seen the pink spots you see on the cooler on my walls from his test.I went and got a test kit and it showed pink also but then i read the kit and it said break the glass seal and I sad ohhhh so i squeezed it really hard and broke the glass seal and the two parts mixed and it tested normal/no lead. Did you do that?
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I am an environmental chemist. The test kit chemistry in accurate; but like any other test directions have to be followed. What concerns me is the President's reaction. He sounds like a real a-hole that needs to wake up. Lead is lead and it should not be there. I know why it is. Lead is part of the reaction chemistry in making vinyl.
Now will the amount of lead in the lining really hurt you? Probably not. Will it hurt children? Probably not. Now if you chew the liner that is a different story. Contact transfer is not really going to poison anyone; but anything that comes in contact food should not have lead as part of the manufacturing process.
It is tough to stay away from stuff from China; but if you buy toys for your kids from China you are probably poisoning them.
A good test would be an XRF test. Lots of toy manufactures and retailers bought these hand held XRF's to test incoming products. I have a friend who sells them. I will call him to see if he can do a "demo" for me.
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My name is Chris McGregor, I now own Horizons and I would like the opportunity to remedy this situation and offer you an apology for the way you were treated (no yelling, I promise). If you would be kind enough to call me at 800-969-4583 M-F 9-5 EST it would be greatly appreciated.
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Thread from the dead week on THT. 8 year old reboot.
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Chris - There is nothing to remedy. The issue is long forgotten. Thanks for the offer

Care to comment on cooler liners testing positive for lead ?
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How would anyone even find this thread?
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My soft coolers have a DU lining, keeps my ham cheese and onion sandwiches nice and warm
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I say good on the new owner of this company to search out issues' and attempt to remedy them!
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Popcorn got stale and the beer well I drank it waiting to hear the end results a few years ago.
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Hi Elusive,

I am not sure exactly how sensitive the test is or how it is performed, but at the time the test was done regulations were not what they are today. Most cooler liners meet the FDA requirements to come in contact with food, our liners exceed all EPA, FDA and Prop 65 requirements. The liner in the picture is not the liner we use in our coolers today, I would be glad to supply you with replacements.

I did want to apologize for my predecessor, over the phone seemed more appropriate than in a thread. Even though he is no longer owner of the company his actions in the past do reflect upon me through this thread. Please accept my apology.

Thanks,

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How would anyone even find this thread?
Unfortunately if you search for the right combo of words along with the company name it comes up right under my website.
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I say good for the new owner searching and reaching out on any pre-existing issues. Also, with the way the previous owner acted he may know he has fires burning all around the country. What is the name of your soft cooler site? I will order a couple of cooler bags for my kids since I like your business tactics.
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What a load of crap. You'll absorb more lead handling fishing weights than you could ever get from a cooler. How in the world did anyone survive 50 years ago being surrounded by lead paint and asbestos? Snowflake society born to whine and call an ambulance for a stubbed toe and sue because coffee is hot.

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