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Old 03-26-2009, 03:04 PM
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http://www.wbaltv.com/news/19009636/detail.html

I built a house next to these folks last year.

EDGEWATER -- Three people continued to recover Thursday after they said a pit bull came out of nowhere and attacked them after a shopping trip.

The incident occurred Tuesday evening in the 400 block of Walnut Drive.

James Powell told police that he was attempting to enter his home in the 400 block of Walnut Drive when a pit bull came from around the backside of the home and bit him.

The pit bull was then able to get inside the home and bite the man's wife and son, according to police.



Chris Powell said that he can't get the image of what happened out of his mind. He, his father, James Powell, his mother, Dana Marie Powell, and his brother, Brandon Powell, had just returned from a shopping trip.

As they made their way to the front door, they said the pit bull lunged at James Powell's face, gripping on. He was able to stumble through the front door with the dog attached.

"It was just a matter of life and death at that point in time. My brother had his baby, we were trying to protect the baby, we got her out of the house without anyone getting injured and then on top of that making sure that everyone else was OK," Powell said.

He said that when they finally got control of the situation, his brother and mother had bite injuries to their arms and hands.

The dog had taken a huge chunk out of his father's face, as well.

"Then I ended up finding the piece of his face that (doctors) attached," Chris Powell said.

But despite the chaotic situation, he said his father was able to get a knife out of his pocket and end the several minutes of terror.

"My father ended up killing the dog," Powell said. "He let the dog out or the dog got loose, whatever the situation may be."
- Chris Powell



Police would later arrive and shoot the dog to make sure it was dead.

Looking back, Chris Powell said he puts more blame on the dog than on the owner, despite the fact that the owner has yet to apologize. Police said the owner, Karim Abdalla, was cited for allowing the animal to run at large.

"He let the dog out or the dog got loose, whatever the situation may be, it was still the actions of the dog that caused the whole situation to happen. It wasn't the owner," Chris Powell said.

The other family members told 11 News they were too tired to talk.
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Maybe you should read this, believe it or not there are other breeds that can be aggressive

http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

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http://www.workingpitbull.com/whydodogsbite.htm

That page has some good reading too.

So if i have a Pit/Lab mix, what should i do, run out and kill the dog or love it because its so loyal and affectionate???

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Originally Posted by Geebers View Post
http://www.workingpitbull.com/whydodogsbite.htm

That page has some good reading too.

So if i have a Pit/Lab mix, what should i do, run out and kill the dog or love it because its so loyal and affectionate???

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kill it
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you are an idiot
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We have a new case here in NC, where a pit chewed up a kid about five. Owner is in jail under $100,000.00 bond, facing an 8 year sentence, if the charge of assault with a deadly weapon holds up.

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I have a question, sorry is it somewhat off topic.

"If" a child steals one of dads guns and the child shots another person, killing them or not, is the parents liable for the child's actions in any which way shape or form? Obviously the child is worth nothing so civil suing the child is a total waste of time and money, so does the victim or the victim's family go after the parents of the child? If so, how successful are these civil lawsuits?
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I have said it before...pit bulls need to become extinct. They should all be neuterd and spayed immediately.
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Originally Posted by Geebers View Post
Maybe you should read this, believe it or not there are other breeds that can be aggressive

http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

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Not anywhere nearly as routinely as pits.
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Yeah. You hear of other dogs "biting" a kid (who was probably pulling dogs tail) or an adult for that matter. Happens all the time. But you don't hear of many other dog breeds ATTACKING people and sometimes KILLING people. Big difference.
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There are several families and groups of people that i think should be extinct, that kill and murder for no reason, so can we go "fix" them. I have finally realized you anti people people are extremely ignorant and there is no point to show you that maybe all pits arent the problem, bc you will always turn it or use it to justify your biased and one sided point of view. Learn to view thing from someone elses perspective....it may help you.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
I have a question, sorry is it somewhat off topic.

"If" a child steals one of dads guns and the child shots another person, killing them or not, is the parents liable for the child's actions in any which way shape or form? Obviously the child is worth nothing so civil suing the child is a total waste of time and money, so does the victim or the victim's family go after the parents of the child? If so, how successful are these civil lawsuits?
That would NOT be a good scenario for the parents of the child who "stole" the gun. Particularly if the gun was not in a safe or at least locked.
It would be a clear case of negligence in my view, but I'm certainly not a lawyer.
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So wouldnt it be negligence if i didnt take the proper precautions to keep my pet from wondering the neighborhood? It not the pets fault if im allowing it......Thank you you just made my point completely. People have a view of a pit that is extremely biased and uneducated, some may have had bad experiences with pits so their view is justified, i was attacked unprovoked by a german shepard and lab when i was a kid, but i know it was the particular individual and not the breed.......say what you will i will always be wrong, but dont always look at things with such a closed mind.

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Notice when you change the word "pit" to "pet" it doesnt sound as terrifying, just an example of what bad education has done to folks.
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I read most of those storys in the link. From what I saw it looked like a good amount of those attacks were by dogs tied up in their yards with little kids playing with them. Dogs sometimes see kids as a potential threat especially if they are in the dogs yard. In most of those cases it was tragic but explainable. Most pit attacks come from wondering dogs out of their own yards. That being said a pit that stumbles into my backyard will probally not get out of it alive.
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My sister-in-law has a female pit bull she rescued. The dog was wild at first, not especially agressive, but just wild. She took the dog to obedience class, and the dog is now a wonderful pet. My son will get down on the floor and play with the dog, and I have no worries about his safety.
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Irish Setter doing something like that Pit Bull did? No I haven't.

Usually if it's an Irish Setter it involves one getting wrapped up in a barb wire fence.
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No, never heard of a Lab or an Irish Setter doing that.
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So wouldnt it be negligence if i didnt take the proper precautions to keep my pet from wondering the neighborhood? It not the pets fault if im allowing it......Thank you you just made my point completely. People have a view of a pit that is extremely biased and uneducated, some may have had bad experiences with pits so their view is justified, i was attacked unprovoked by a german shepard and lab when i was a kid, but i know it was the particular individual and not the breed.......say what you will i will always be wrong, but dont always look at things with such a closed mind.

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Notice when you change the word "pit" to "pet" it doesnt sound as terrifying, just an example of what bad education has done to folks.
So you are going to compare an animal that was bred to kill, and has been for over 100 yrs, to an inanimate object that kills only when used for that purpose or by those who have no business handling it in the first place?

Actually, after reviewing what I was going to post, I must concede that there may be about 50 PB's who are generally good dogs. The rest of them? They have no business here in the first place!
And for the record I own a Shar Pei, which tend to have a "reputation".

I found this to be interesting as well:

The 1st number is #of attacks doing bodily harm, 2nd # is Child Victims, 3rd # is Adult Victims, 4th # is deaths, 5th # is maimings:

Reports are logged as received, and the current log is printed out as
requested. Compiled by the editor of ANIMAL PEOPLE from press accounts
since 1982, this table covers only attacks by dogs of clearly identified
breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or others
with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets. Due to the exclusion
of dogs whose breed type may be uncertain, this is by no means a complete
list of fatal and otherwise serious dog attacks. Attacks by police dogs,
guard dogs, and dogs trained specifically to fight are also excluded.
"Attacks doing bodily harm" includes all fatalities, maimings, and other
injuries requiring extensive hospital treatment. "Maimings" includes
permanent disfigurement or loss of a limb. Where there is an asterisk (*),
please see footnotes. If there are more "attacks" than "victims," it means
that there were multiple dogs involved in some attacks. If the numbers of
"victims" does not equal the numbers of "deaths" and "maimings," it means
that some of the victims -- in attacks in which some people were killed or
maimed -- were not killed or maimed.
Breed Attacks doing Child Adult Deaths Maimings Notes
bodily harm victims victims
[dogs X victims] [--------Individuals---------]
Akita 48 32 14 1 39
Akita mix (inspecific) 1 1 0 0 1
Akita/Chow mix 3 3 0 0 3
Akita/Lab mix 1 1 0 0 1
Akita/terrier mix 2 1 0 0 1
Airedale/boxer 1 1 0 1 0 #
Airedale 1 1 0 1 0
Australian blue heeler 3 1 1 0 2
Australian cattle dog 1 1 0 0 1
Australian shepherd 6 4 0 0 1
Basset/GSD mix 1 1 0 1 0
Beagle 2 2 0 1 1 #
Belgian shepherd 4 1 3 0 1
Blue heeler 2 0 1 0 1
Border collie 1 0 1 1 1 #
Briard 2 0 1 1 0
Brittany spaniel 4 1 0 0 1
Bulldog (American 4 0 3 2 2
Bulldog (English) 16 8 3 1 9
Bull mastiff (Presa Canario) 30 10 13 6 16
Bull mastiff/German shepherd 2 1 0 1 0
Buff mastiff/Rottweiler 1 1 0 0 1
Boxer 31 6 12 2 12 #
Boxer mix 1 1 0 1 0
Cane Corso 4 1 2 1 3
Catahoula 3 0 1 0 1
Chow 49 34 12 6 32
Chow/husky mix 2 2 0 1 1
Chow/Labrador mix 4 4 0 0 3
Chox mix (other) 2 2 0 0 2
Cocker spaniel 1 1 0 0 1
Collie 3 3 0 0 3
Collie/retriever mix 1 1 0 0 1
Coonhound 1 1 0 0 0
Page 2 of 7
Dalmatian 3 3 0 0 3
Dalmatian/Akita mix 1 1 0 0 1
Dauschund 2 1 1 1 2 #
Doberman 11 7 4 3 7 #
Doge de Bordeaux 2 1 0 0 1
East Highland terrier 1 0 1 1 0 #
Fila Brasiero 1 1 0 0 1
German shepherd 63 42 17 7 38
German shepherd mix 31 21 7 6 19 #
German shepherd/husky mix 4 3 1 1 2
Golden retriever 6 6 0 1 4 #
Great Dane 24 5 4 2 9
Great Pyranees 1 0 1 1 0
Greyhound 1 1 0 0 1
Husky 39 23 4 13 8
Husky/Malamute mix 2 2 0 0 2
Husky/Labrador mix 1 0 1 0 1
Jack Russell terrier 2 1 1 1 0 #
Labrador 26 18 9 2 20 #
Labrador mix 10 9 1 0 9 #
Labrador/boxer mix 1 0 1 0 0
Lab-Doberman 1 1 0 0 1
Lab-St. Bernard 1 1 0 0 1
Malamute 8 7 1 3 3
Mastiff 16 11 4 4 9
Norwegian elkhound 1 0 1 0 1 #
Pit bull terrier 1110 495 397 104 608 #
Pit bull boxer mix 5 1 2 0 2
Pit bull/chow mix 5 2 3 1 3
Pit bull/Doberman/GSD/Lab 2 2 0 0 2
Pit bull/GSD mix 1 1 0 0 1
Pit bull/Lab mix 15 10 4 3 8 #
Pit bull/Rott. mix 39 7 3 2 8
Pit bull/Sheltie mix 1 1 0 0 1
Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 1 0 1 0 1
Pit mix unknown 3 2 0 0 2
Pointer mix 1 0 1 0 0 #
Pomeranian 1 1 0 1 0
Poodle 2 1 1 0 2 #
Pug 1 1 0 0 1
Pug/Rottweiler mix 2 1 0 1 0
Queensland heeler 3 0 1 0 1
Rottweiler 409 231 109 58 223 #
Rottweiler/chow mix 1 1 0 0 1
Rottweiler/GSD mix 13 7 5 2 10
Rottweiler/Labrador 7 6 1 0 7
Russian terrier 1 0 1 0 1
Saint Bernard 6 3 0 1 1
Sharpei 4 4 0 0 4
Sharpei/Rottweiler 2 1 0 0 1
Sharpei/unknown mix 1 1 0 0 1
Sharpei/Labrador 1 1 0 0 1
Springer spaniel 3 4 0 0 4
Tosa 1 1 0 0 1
Weimaeaner 1 1 0 0 1
Wheaten terrier 2 1 0 0 1
Wolf hybrid 71 65 3 18 43 #
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I have a question, sorry is it somewhat off topic.

"If" a child steals one of dads guns and the child shots another person, killing them or not, is the parents liable for the child's actions in any which way shape or form? Obviously the child is worth nothing so civil suing the child is a total waste of time and money, so does the victim or the victim's family go after the parents of the child? If so, how successful are these civil lawsuits? Obviously each states laws vary but yes, depending on the age of the child, a parent/parents can be criminally charged. Civil suits on the other hand you've got it, go for the deep pockets. Usually the childs parents homeowners ins/umbrella policy or whatever they may have. They can be succesfully, happened a few years ago here, kid killed another, kid and parents charged. Criminal against the parents were dropped, (age factor of child) but the parents were sued succesfully in civil court.
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oops forgot quotes, but was replying to Garett's question.

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