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Old 03-24-2009, 01:50 PM
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I got a traffic ticket today for an illegal right on red. I have no points on my license and never got a ticket. I have a couple questions, Do you think a can get it down to a seatbelt and/or cell phone violation instead of unsafe driving (which is like $400)? Do you think it is worth it to hire a lawyer or just talk to the prosecutor myself?
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First off, be sure it WAS an illegal right on red. Right on red is legal in NJ, unless it is marked as being illegal for that particular corner. My suggestion is to try to get the ticket adjusted to "unsafe operation". Its more of a fine, but its no points (until you get 3 of them), and therefore it won't hurt your insurance. Points are bad, especially if something else happens (an accident, another ticket)
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gonna need a bit more info.......what was the situation, and what all did you do wrong?
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Two motor cycle cops were sitting at a gas station on a corner checking registrations and seat belts, I saw them, but thought that I could make a right. The problem was there is a sign that says no right on red at this particular intersection. I did not see the sign and told the officer, but he wouldn't do anything for me. He said is superior is standing right there. He then said I can go to court and plead it down.
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Go for a "prayer for judgement" ...... no points, no driving record....pay some extra money and be on your way.
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Originally Posted by Tireless View Post
Go for a "prayer for judgement" ...... no points, no driving record....pay some extra money and be on your way.
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Thats what I will do, it is called unsafe driving in NJ. However, I am hoping the prosecutor will let me go with like a seat belt or cell phone violation which will be cheaper. What are the chances of this happening?
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If you go to court the judge *might* let you off easyer since you have no other offences.
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$400 bucks? Wow. I just got my first (sort of) speeding ticket in NC couple weeks ago. 80 in a 70. Ticket was $15, court cost something like $125.

I was told 80 is not reckless in NC, so guess I'm just going to mail it in.

Was coming back from delivering my boat I just sold, so I'll factor it into the cost of the sale.
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Originally Posted by 35donzi View Post
...let me go with like a seat belt or cell phone violation which will be cheaper. ...
I would doubt they'd go for something you didn't actually do. "Interpreting" what you actually did as "negligent" or "unsafe operaton" is more likely, imo. Of course I haven't spent much time in NJ.
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Originally Posted by CaptKennyW View Post
If you go to court the judge *might* let you off easyer since you have no other offences.
I'd say more than likely judging by the lenient traffic courts I have been in.
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if its a $400 fine and you hire a liar, oops I meant lawyer, then it'll be at least $1400.

try to adjourn the case as many times as you possibly can.

investigate the scene and take loads of pictures.

if there was a left turn only light in the opposite direction during the time the light was red in your direction you could have been confused by the motion of the cars coming at you in the opposite direction.

This made you think the light was green in your direction. Therefore, you proceeded to the right (without any incident, near miss, collision avoidance, etc. either).

I would consider that excuse plausible, that is, i were a judge.


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$400 bucks? Wow. I just got my first (sort of) speeding ticket in NC couple weeks ago. 80 in a 70. Ticket was $15, court cost something like $125.

I was told 80 is not reckless in NC, so guess I'm just going to mail it in.

Was coming back from delivering my boat I just sold, so I'll factor it into the cost of the sale.
I would come back to court and fight it, the cost of that ticket on your insurance, might surprise you.
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You said there was a sign that says "no right turn on red". So you already admit you were wrong. Oh, wait, you didn't see the sign. Well, ignorange is no excuse to break the law. Dude, just pay it and move on. You'll be setting a good example for your kids when you go ahead and admit you were wrong. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions any more...that's what's really wrong in this country.
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Robalo,
I don't know what the hell your talking about. I never said I wasn't wrong or that I was going to lie. I just wanted to know if the prosecutor might show sympathy and give me something less money than a unsafe driving ( $450 no points).
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Go to court. Wear a coat and tie. No flip flops etc. Have a written plan and statement rehearsed but don't read from it. Pictures are a good idea etc. Mercy works.
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You'll probably get dozens of letters from lawyers that say for a fee of maybe $300 they will handle it, get it reduced and you won't even have to go to court. Thats the way it is in NC. Also, in many states, you can go to a defensive driving school at the courts direction, and it gets reduced to a non moving violation like improper equipment.
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Yeah, I don't know how it is in your state, but at least here in CA, if you qualify, you can request traffic school in lieu of a conviction and you can ask the judge for a hardship dismissal of the fine or at least a lowering of it.

Nothing appears on your driving record and you might only be out a few bucks.

If you dispute the citation and the officer doesn't show up for court, it will be dismissed. However, in some jurisdictions, you waive your right to traffic school when you request a hearing.

And lately, the officers are getting a day on the beach for missing court dates...
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Donzi,

Call the Municipal Court and plead not guilty. On the day of your trial go to the Prosecutor before your case is scheduled and explain that you accidently made the right turn on red because of (whatever reason you make up). Explain you have a good drivers license for many years, and would like to know if you could plead guilty to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle. If you didn't bust the Officers balls he would probably accept your plea. I seriously doubt that the Prosecutor would change the statue to a seat belt or cell phone violation. This Prosecutor would be committing perjury and I am sure he would not want to go there. Unsafe operation does cover your actions with the motor vehicle. If you are lucky and plead out to unsafe operation you would be far better off even with the $400.00 dollar fine. If you fought the redlight violation in court I could almost bet 100% you would lose. Upon conviction you would be responsible to pay the fine, court costs, three years of insurance surcharges, and points on your DL. If the Prosecutor denies your request then you could request the trial be postponed in order to consult with an Attorney. Good Luck
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Originally Posted by seabass man View Post
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Call the Municipal Court and plead not guilty. ... (Ask the prosecutor to reduce the charge) ... If the Prosecutor denies your request then you could request the trial be postponed in order to consult with an Attorney. Good Luck

Once you plead guilty it's almost impossible to withdraw that unless the judge refuses to accept a plea-bargain that was part of the guilty plea.

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