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Say what you will. Doesn't matter what side of the isle you stand on. Whatever the government sticks their grubby hands into, goes to $hit. They messed this whole situation up, period. That is an undeniable fact.

And they want to tackle healthcare next? My prediction, if they actually "fix" healthcare.
* Healthcare premiums will increase exponentially.
* You won't be able to get in to see a doctor because every person on welfare will be sitting in the doctors office everyday.
* Quality of healthcare will go down the drain.

It is another government disaster waiting to happen. More government is not the answer, it is the problem.
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Kinda like the Socialist Republic of Canada. Their heath care suxs.
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Oh, but did you hear the lastest from the Govt Accounting Office?!? There was a small calculation error in the last budget forced down out throats by Teleprompter -- seems it will create an ADDITIONAL $1-TRILLION per year deficit!!! The GOA says the Teleprompter's budget is not sustainable, e.g. NOT POSSIBLE -- the United States of America does not generate enough 'wealth' in a year to even get close to paying for all of the scheduled govt spending.

But he got a book deal out of it.
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Originally Posted by Reelescape1 View Post
Kinda like the Socialist Republic of Canada. Their heath care suxs.
Yeah, that's why people are always trying to buy prescription drugs from there.
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Whatever the government sticks their grubby hands into, goes to $hit.
Wasn't that the same logic used by your almighty leader Rush Limbaugh when he advocated
privatizing social security????
Imagine if all the social security money had been put in the stock market in 2007, when the DJIA was at 14,000.
Oh yeah, that would have worked out real well.
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That is an undeniable fact.
I usually find that people who speak in extremes, and claim that something is an "undeniable fact", usually have no idea what they are talking about.

Have you considered a career in talk radio???
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Originally Posted by Soundbounder View Post
Wasn't that the same logic used by your almighty leader Rush Limbaugh when he advocated
privatizing social security????
Imagine if all the social security money had been put in the stock market in 2007, when the DJIA was at 14,000.
Oh yeah, that would have worked out real well.
LMFAO......and how much money do you believe is in your social security account right now?
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Originally Posted by Hydro View Post
Yeah, that's why people are always trying to buy prescription drugs from there.

If I'm not mistaken the cost of Rx drugs in Canada is subsidized by the government. Guess who pays that bill;?. Isn't their tax rate somewhere around 50/60% (where ours is headed under the Obama plan).
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Isn't their tax rate somewhere around 50/60% (where ours is headed under the Obama plan).
Top US Federal Income Tax Rates

Coolidge, 1924: 46%
FDR, 1935: 63%
FDR, 1942: 88%
Eisenhower, 1955: 91%
Nixon, 1970: 71%
Ford, 1975: 70%
Carter, 1978: 70%
Reagan, 1982: 50%
Clinton, 1996:39%
Bush, 2003-08, 35%
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Originally Posted by hblac View Post
If I'm not mistaken the cost of Rx drugs in Canada is subsidized by the government. Guess who pays that bill;?. Isn't their tax rate somewhere around 50/60% (where ours is headed under the Obama plan).
The prices aren't subsidized but they are manipulated.

Canada uses its monopoly power to set artificial prices for drugs sold in that country. If every country followed Canada's steps.....Big Pharma would be out of business since it would cease making profits. Gee, wouldn't the world be a better place if no new drugs were invented? I honestly believe the average citizen has completely lost his/her ability to think.
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Originally Posted by Soundbounder View Post
Top US Federal Income Tax Rates

Coolidge, 1924: 46%
FDR, 1935: 63%
FDR, 1942: 88%
Eisenhower, 1955: 91%
Nixon, 1970: 71%
Ford, 1975: 70%
Carter, 1978: 70%
Reagan, 1982: 50%
Clinton, 1996:39%
Bush, 2003-08, 35%
Reagan got the top rate down to 28% and Bush 1 moved it up to 31%.
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Originally Posted by hblac View Post
If I'm not mistaken the cost of Rx drugs in Canada is subsidized by the government. Guess who pays that bill;?. Isn't their tax rate somewhere around 50/60% (where ours is headed under the Obama plan).
The cost of Rx drugs in Canada is NOT subsidized by the government !!! Do a google search asking "Why are prescription prices cheaper in Canada" to get a better understanding.

The tax rate is a sliding scale depending on your income which I think is similar to your system. We don't tax lotto and gambling winnings as is done in the states.

Yes, Canada is more socialistic (health care) than the US, but, it is not as socialistic as most Americans think.

The US is a great country to live in, however, Canada is a great country to live in too !! There is a lot of misinformation on this site by over zealous and self-centered Americans who love to put down Canada every chance they get without really understanding what they are talking about.

Sorry, don't mean to rant but sometimes it gets unbearable.
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Originally Posted by Tireless View Post
Reagan got the top rate down to 28% and Bush 1 moved it up to 31%.
It was 50% for the bulk of the Reagan years.
In 1987, it went to 38.5%, and then was 28% in 1988.

I should have provided this earlier.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=213
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Originally Posted by Soundbounder View Post
Wasn't that the same logic used by your almighty leader Rush Limbaugh when he advocated
privatizing social security????
Imagine if all the social security money had been put in the stock market in 2007, when the DJIA was at 14,000.
Oh yeah, that would have worked out real well.
I think it is a very incomplete picutre you paint. Are you discounting the stock market profits of the previous 80 years? Pretty easy to point to the current situation but that is not the whole story. We would be all be better off in one of the 2 following situations.

#1. No social security tax. Personal responsibility, you save for your own retirement.

#2. ALL social security money goes into a fund that is not touched by spenders in Washington, earns 0% but is there. In this scenario, there would be more money in the fund than the $0 that is in there now.
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Originally Posted by Soundbounder View Post
I usually find that people who speak in extremes, and claim that something is an "undeniable fact", usually have no idea what they are talking about.

Have you considered a career in talk radio???
OK, I hear you. So what has the government done that is an un-deniable success? You throw spears without solutions...just like our politicians.

You seem to want to make this a partisan argument. In the first paragraph of this thread, I said, "it doesn't matter which side of the isle you stand".

Read more, attack less.
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Originally Posted by cobra427mnsi View Post

The US is a great country to live in, however, Canada is a great country to live in too !!

You're just saying that because you are stuck living there -- next door to the Crocs-wearing Garett.

Dude, when it gets dark, twenty-three-hundred hours, met me at checkpoint Charlie. We'll get you across.
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Originally Posted by cobra427mnsi View Post
The cost of Rx drugs in Canada is NOT subsidized by the government !!! Do a google search asking "Why are prescription prices cheaper in Canada" to get a better understanding.

The tax rate is a sliding scale depending on your income which I think is similar to your system. We don't tax lotto and gambling winnings as is done in the states.

Yes, Canada is more socialistic (health care) than the US, but, it is not as socialistic as most Americans think.

The US is a great country to live in, however, Canada is a great country to live in too !! (*) There is a lot of misinformation on this site by over zealous and self-centered Americans who love to put down Canada every chance they get without really understanding what they are talking about.

Sorry, don't mean to rant but sometimes it gets unbearable.


(*) And we don't have the gun, crime and low income problem you guys do in the States!
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OK, I hear you. So what has the government done that is an un-deniable success? You throw spears without solutions...just like our politicians.

You seem to want to make this a partisan argument. In the first paragraph of this thread, I said, "it doesn't matter which side of the isle you stand".

Read more, attack less.
It was partisan long before I got here.

Some things the government has done that are successful:
I don't use terms such as "undeniable success", but using a boating example, here is some beneficial government work:
The Coast Guard, NOAA, Corps of Engineers, coastal state and national parks, the NTIA (marine radios), clean water act, National Marine Fisheries, US Navy, National Weather Service, Intra-Coastal Waterway, National Hurricane Center, etc.
And those are just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Soundbounder View Post

Some things the government has done that are successful:

... beneficial government work:

"Successful" and "beneficial" are two entirely different things. Lots of stuff in govt is "beneficial" but not necessarily "successful". Socialized medical care would be "beneficial" to someone, somewhere -- but that does not mean that it would be "successful" in providing adequate medical care for everyone.

The govt is replete with fraud, abuse, and substandard quality -- hence the expression, "it's good enough for govt work."
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The govt is replete with fraud, abuse, and substandard quality
Sounds just like Wall Street!

As for the "beneficial" vs "successful" wordplay........
Then I will use the word successful to describe the examples I listed.

What I won't do is use terms like "absolute" or "undeniable".

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