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Old 03-14-2009, 03:06 PM
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I have Taurus 9mm pistol that I have decided to keep. My question is regading ammo. When I logged on to the Bass pro shops website (have gift certificate) there are many different kinds of ammo and I dont know what to get. I will use the pistol to practice with first and then used for home defense. Here are all the different choices.

MC: Metal Case
SP: Soft Point
JHP: Jacketed Hollow Point
LRN: Lead Round Nose
SJHP: Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point
LSWC: Lead Semi-Wad Cutter
LHP+P: Lead Hollow Point+P
SJHP+P: Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point+P

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Old 03-14-2009, 03:41 PM
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For practice I would use the MC metal case stuff aka full metal jacket
for self defense I would choose the semi-jacketed hollow point in the same weight as the MC stuff.
Buy using the same weight bullet, poi or point of impact should not vary much if at all at short personal defense range. 21' or less. The impact will be off a little with the +P ammo but not enough to worry about in a "close encounter"
Also try to get the same brand of ammo for the practice and defense stuff.
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It is going to get expensive, but I suggest practicing with the same ammo you would use for defense. Two reasons; same weight bullets in diff configurations are not necessarily propelled by the same propellant or same charge, will have different 'feel', diff recoil, diff everything.

Second, if you ever did have to depend on your tool to defend yourself/others, there can be significance on the back end, after all of the legal stuff is said and done, when the civil lawsuit stuff starts rolling in.
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I would rec Full Metal Jacket for practice. HP's for defense.
Due to the level of adrenalin in a real world situation, you will not even be thinking about the "feel" of recoil.
This is why my wife shoots 38 ammo for practice with her airweight and keeps 38+P or 357 loads for home defense.
Or, just pick up a Taurus Judge and be done with it!
http://www.taurususa.com/video/tauru...udge-video.cfm
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Originally Posted by Ray Zor View Post

Due to the level of adrenalin in a real world situation, you will not even be thinking about the "feel" of recoil.

I think that is the idea behind using the same ammo for practice that you would for 'business', remove any variations, only have to deal with adrenalin and hitting your target.

There are some LEOs here, perhaps they will weigh in with the diff in the ammo they practice with and the ammo they carry, and why.
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Stay away from the lead wadcutters because you will have to clean your gun afterwards.
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115 to 124 gr jacketed hollow points would be about right.

You need to shoot at least a couple of boxes (100 rounds) of whatever you choose for defense through the gun to make sure it functions (doesn't jam) in your gun. Its expensive but there is no way around it, except buying a revolver.
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
115 to 124 gr jacketed hollow points would be about right.

You need to shoot at least a couple of boxes (100 rounds) of whatever you choose for defense through the gun to make sure it functions (doesn't jam) in your gun. Its expensive but there is no way around it, except buying a revolver.
I have a 357 (taurus revolver) but was told it was not good for home defense...travels thru too many walls...I have three kids.
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Stay away from the lead wadcutters because you will have to clean your gun afterwards.
Just put through a few rounds of FMJ after you are done with the lead wadcutters, scapes out most of the lead, cleaning won't be that big a deal.
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Originally Posted by Nicmegmatt View Post
I have a 357 (taurus revolver) but was told it was not good for home defense...travels thru too many walls...I have three kids.
I wouldn't count on a 9mm penetrating that much less than the 357. Besides you could just shoot 38 specials in the 357. 110 gr 38 Spec Winchester Silvertips (non +P). That might be a little better if are worried about over penetration.

The problem is anything useful for self defense can penetrate sheetrock walls.

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There are lots of lesser penetrating loads available if you're worried about shots inside a home. Shop at a good brick & mortar store and ask the "knowledgeable" staff about it. Glazier (sp) is one.
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I would pick one of these three jacketted types.

JHP: Jacketed Hollow Point
SJHP: Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point
SJHP+P: Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point+P

The jackets will reduce fouling on the magazine lips and the chamber ramp. The full lead balls are better for revolvers. FMC will punch right through the bad-guy with minimal deformation. The other rounds will do more internal injury and (theoreticaly) bring them down quicker, ending the threat to you and yours. The +P load might over-penetrate but if you live in a house and not an apartment building it's a coin toss if you want it for home-defense.

I agree with the suggestions to practice with the type of ammo you are likley to use "in real life." Some guns are fussy and work better with one type of ammo than others. You want to know this in advane if you don't already. It will also help you to "rotate" your stock.

Don't forget to rest your magazines regularly.

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Originally Posted by Kamper View Post

Don't forget to rest your magazines regularly.

Are you thinking about resting the magazine spring? Ammo loaded magazines that were in storage since WWII were pulled and used in the 90's -- after sitting there with a compressed spring for 50-years. Every magazine functioned perfectly.
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shoot the full metal jacket stuff at the range and for defense use hydrashok HP. If you worried about shooting through walls get some frangible ammo but I would just hit what you are shooting at a be aware of where others are in the home. The more you practice the better you will be. Make sure you practice with some of the HP stuff at the range to be sure there are no feeding issues. 9mm is going to go through as many walls as 357.
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Are you thinking about resting the magazine spring? Ammo loaded magazines that were in storage since WWII were pulled and used in the 90's -- after sitting there with a compressed spring for 50-years. Every magazine functioned perfectly.
I've read the same thing. My understanding is that mag springs wear out due to cycles, not compression.

To the OP: Somebody made a good point to practice with what you carry and that will get expensive. I practice with WWB FMJ and carry Speer Gold Dot JHP. I will fire off my carry mag when I get to the range and then switch off to FMJ. This way I am practicing with what I carry and not spending a whole lot.

Biggest problem for me now is finding ammo.
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
. ..loaded magazines that were in storage since WWII ... functioned perfectly.
I'm sorry but I think that's BS. Magazines are not stored loaded. Every soldier I've spoken to on the subject says they were issued their magazines empty and required to turn in unused ammo ammo to be properly stored and inventoried. The only exceptons I heard of to this rule were "kickouts" in Vietnam where troops at base loaded M16 magazines and bundled them in blankets for emergency re-supply to cut-off troops.

What you probably heard was a distorted report of stripper clips or M1 magazine blocs. (There is a similar device called a "charger" that is no longer used, and the term is now used for the bridge device between a clip and a magazine.) These devices are passive and remain functional for decades even when stored loaded. Military ammo is frequently shipped to the field in clips for stripping into magazines or directly into the weapon.

Ammo left too long at the top of a magazine can distort slighly but just enough to jam the weapon. I have had personal experience with that, which is why I normaly recomend a revolver for home defense.

Yes, I was referring to the spring. It is conceivable that you would buy spare sprigs because they are cheaper than a complete magazine but the effort to swap out springs is not worth the savings (imo).
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Interesting article on leaving mags loaded. Apparently it isn't spring compression that causes problems.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...27/ai_99130369
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Originally Posted by Kamper View Post

I'm sorry but I think that's BS.

You might want to take a quick look at the post immediately above yours.
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Ok, the spring myth may be busted. The loaded magazine cited in that article sounds like an isolated event but it was just a referral to another article so I don't know the whole story. That author did warn against casing distortions though, so rotate your ammo periodically and don't worry about your spring.

Good luck!
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Thanks for all the great input.


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