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Old 03-09-2009, 07:38 PM
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Who's had a dog with cancer...treatment options My dog Shadow..a Border Collie had an anal sac tumor removed this past Friday. Shadow is a few months shy of 13 years and the cancer tumor was just shy of being lemon size....both not a good combination.

The treatment options are surgical removable with or without radiation.

I would appreciate hearing any case histories. Hopefully Shadow will come home tomorrow and be with his mate Tiffany...and us.

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I had a Great Pyrinee that died of cancer at the age of five ,very sad indeed. I would not put the dog through radiation since he is pretty old ,and the treatment has side effects. If he shows signs of pain get pain medication from the vet to make his remaining life more enjoyable. Surgery is a viable solution if he is fairly strong and the tests reveal that he will not have severe side effects from the anesthesia.
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You really have to be careful with vets and dogs with cancer. A lot of them will tell you what you want to hear so you open the wallet wide.

If you want an honest opinion from an expert with no agenda, my sister was a vet tech for one of the best veterinary oncologists in Texas for over 15 years. I'll guarantee you she knows more about canine cancer than your neighborhood vet and what she can't answer, she can pick up the phone and call her old boss.

Send me a PM with an email and I'll put you in touch with her.

But, don't do it if you don't want the truth.
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Originally Posted by CopyKat View Post
You really have to be careful with vets and dogs with cancer. A lot of them will tell you what you want to hear so you open the wallet wide.

If you want an honest opinion from an expert with no agenda, my sister was a vet tech for one of the best veterinary oncologists in Texas for over 15 years. I'll guarantee you she knows more about canine cancer than your neighborhood vet and what she can't answer, she can pick up the phone and call her old boss.

Send me a PM with an email and I'll put you in touch with her.

But, don't do it if you don't want the truth.
That's a nice offer CopyKat.
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That's a nice offer CopyKat.
Ditto
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Do your research online and get 2nd opinions !!
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sorry to hear about your dog. copykat definitely offers some sound advice that is hard to hear when making emotional decisions. i'm just not sure how equiped most vets are to deal with cancer. i think anytime there's nodules that they feel they can easily remove, they will tell you surgery is an option without considering or giving much thought to the voracity of the cancer or longer term health of the dog.

we had just the best black lab ever. at 11 years old she got cancer that was supposedly treatable with surgery...the largest nodule removed also took 2 claws off her front paw with it. she definitely lost a step and never really seemed to return to her old self. several hundred dollars and only about 6 months later, we ended up putting her down when the cancer returned.

good luck...i hope it works out for you.
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I lost my 8 year old Pudel Pointer to cancer last year. My vet was actually a friend and golfing buddy. He was very upfront about that radiation is a long, hard and expensive road, and while he would make some money, it was not a great option. we where dealing with a jaw cancer, don't remember the name but it was extremely aggresive and as bad as cancer gets. Shadow's may not be as aggressive, so treatment may make more sense, but sometimes it is best to spare the suffering.

Trust me, I don't say that lightly. we have a new PudelPointer, and she is smarter and better behaved in every way, and I still can't bond with her the way I bonded with Dunmore.


Good luck with your lousy options

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I talked to my sister this morning, just relayed what you posted here. She said that if it is an apocrine gland adenocarcinoma (most common) that they are very aggressive.

The key to a good prognosis is the pathology. Did the tumor have good margins? Meaning, was it all cut out or did they miss some of it. This is something the pathologist would report after the surgery.

She wasn't up on the latest protocol and said she'd research it, but was pretty sure they followed surgery with chemo, not radiation. She's going to get back to me later.
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Thanks so much for the posts and concerns. CopyKat I will be sending you my email address to set-up talks with your sister. My desire is to make the most informative decision for Shadow. These posts hopefully will guide me to making the right decision.

Thanks, Jim
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Do your research online and get 2nd opinions !!
And 3rd ones if possible!





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One wonders when you contemplate treating a dog aggressively whether or not the dog understands what is going on.

As humans we understand that the short term pain of surgery/radiation/chemo may have some positive benefit, but I wonder if dogs only perceive all of this as pain since they cannot understand the ultimate goal and possible benefit.

I definitely feel for you and wish you the best. There's no candy coating your situation.
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My lab was 8 1/2 when she had a knot taken off her foot and the Vet said she had bone cancer and with treatment could make it another 6 months. I decided against the treament of radiation since I heard some not so good stories from other dog owners. the cancer did not spread until Jan 09 and after x rays showing cancer in oragans and chest she laid down on 2-8 the last two years she had no problems but it finally got her.
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One wonders when you contemplate treating a dog aggressively whether or not the dog understands what is going on.

As humans we understand that the short term pain of surgery/radiation/chemo may have some positive benefit, but I wonder if dogs only perceive all of this as pain since they cannot understand the ultimate goal and possible benefit.

I definitely feel for you and wish you the best. There's no candy coating your situation.
that logic is exactly what made us decide to make the tough decision with our black lab.

hope it works out for you turkeyfeeder. clearly you're doing the best you can to make an informed decision...that's about all that can be asked.
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Faced a similar situation with our silky terrier a few years back. Brain tumor, surgery would have been expensive but that was not even a consideration. Ultimately, we decided that it would be unfair to put him through such an ordeal and the best thing for him was to end his suffering. Tough.
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Don't put him through it. Shadow is 13, which is very good for a Border Collie. Border Collies are wonderful and have great personality. My heart goes out to you. Laird
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Get another opinion, and from a vet that specializes in canine cancer.

You want to make sure that the dog will benefit enough from the operation and treatment to justify putting it through something it can't understand and that will inflict distress. I agree with 606zpx that you really need to weigh the dog's suffering against how much good time it likely will get. Make the best choice for the dog, even if it is the worst choice for you (early termination rather than buying a couple of more months). At 13, it is unlikely that the dog will get enough good time to make it worth going with the operation and treatment.

Good luck with your decision.
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My wife and I just came back from visiting Shadow. Took him and Tiffany for a walk...gave him his medicine. He's doing well after the surgery...good appetite and having bowel movements OK.

The big question for me is, is radiation treatments the best course. That's a decision to be made in next few days.

I just bought a custom 24 bay boat last November.... Young Boats, Inc. ....here's a pic.

After the surgery has healed...maybe next week..I will confer with the vet and decide on weather radiation is the course to take. Shadow's well being is paramount.

Thanks to all for the heart felt posts.

Thanks, Jim

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Email sent from my lil sister. She made me proud Best of luck with Shadow.
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Very sorry to hear about this. I've experienced it first hand and it was devastating. You've got some good advice here, especially that very nice offer from CopyKat. In the end your decision will be based on your own personal set of circumstances and sentiment, but getting an objective opinion from a vet is essential. I felt that my vet gave me great advice in a similar situation, and now they have a loyal lifetime customer in me. Hang in there and God bless you and Shadow!!

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