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Old 03-04-2009, 06:58 PM
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Default "unsinkable" saved his life

The lone survivor of the fishing trip gone bad was lucky he was on an Everglade boat. 99% of the boats of that length would have been bobbing with the motor down - waaay down with only the bow at times protruding the surface. No way would he have been straddling the keel strangling the lower unit on most boats. Because of the construction of that boat and a few others he survived.

Just goes to show you that "unsinkable" can and does make a difference.

If there ever were an argument to make for unsinkable it has just been made last weekend.
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Maybe that could be an advertizing pitch: "Buy our unsinkable boat, and only 75% of your passengers will die". "Unsinkability" is vastly overrated if the boat won't stay right side up. With a liferaft and an EPIRB, all 4 of those guys would be home right now. If there ever was an argument for a liferaft and an EPIRB, THAT'S what was made last weekend
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whatever "you" say captain.

Typically it is the people who do not have something that usually say it is overratted perhaps this may be the case. Similar to those who do not have college degrees that mandate their kids and life savings are earmarked for the "overrated".

All I know is if that were any other boat outside of a few brands it would have been 0 for 4.
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Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
Maybe that could be an advertizing pitch: "Buy our unsinkable boat, and only 75% of your passengers will die". "Unsinkability" is vastly overrated if the boat won't stay right side up. With a liferaft and an EPIRB, all 4 of those guys would be home right now. If there ever was an argument for a liferaft and an EPIRB, THAT'S what was made last weekend
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I have a Whaler, unsinkable, but never thought about it much, I just like Whalers for some reason and have owed many boat including Mako, Grady etc. Just because it is unsinkable does not make safe in dangerous situations, only the crew, can do that by always preparing for the worst and never expect it to happen, I'm a long time boater and do not do enough of that. No matter how well prepared boaters are, even then short of divine interaction some one will probably die.
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Someone should have told that to the football players before they quit As stated a raft and an epirb would have saved all of them My boat is foam filled to not sink just as many others are It is a great thing to have but at the end of the day an epirb would have could have and should have saved all of them
Very sorry for the families that are now suffering the lost of life Our thoughts and prayers go out to them
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Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
Maybe that could be an advertizing pitch: "Buy our unsinkable boat, and only 75% of your passengers will die". "Unsinkability" is vastly overrated if the boat won't stay right side up. With a liferaft and an EPIRB, all 4 of those guys would be home right now. If there ever was an argument for a liferaft and an EPIRB, THAT'S what was made last weekend
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you hit the nail on the head

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Blah,blah this and blah,blah that if he would of had this if he would had that...fact of the matter is he had one of the few boats that would allow him an angle to save his life and that is a fact no ifs ands or whats about it. Just get over it.

Can you ohnestly say you have a raft stowed in your boat when you head out or an EPIRB? I seriously doubt it.
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Ubettcha said: "My boat is foam filled to not sink just as many others are It is a great thing to have"

Great your boat has foam. Not all foam is the same. I have seen other boats that were foam "filled" at a dock no less "floating" after a hurricane that do not float in the fashion that boat was floating when the Coasties approached in the pictures everyone worldwide witnessed. The lion share of boats in that situation would have not afforded the lone survivor a platform to hang on - which was the engine. The other "foam" filled boats would have been floating with the stern down - as in underwater nothing to grasp to save ones life.

This truly was a tradgedy however it is not fair to say from the comforts of your pc's "if" they would have had or "if" they would have done that. Fact is they had a boat that was foam filled above and beyond the requirements of the government that mandates such specifications.
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Default Titanic is better, more people survived

When you calculate the percentage of survivors on the Titanic Vs this Evergreen boat, I would be better off the other unsinkable boat, The Titanic.
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We can buy epirbs now for what - under $300? And yet how many of us opt to buy fishing gear or other stuff instead? Kind of makes you wonder where your priorities are doesn't it! I know many on here have epirbs but I bet many don't. I know I'm guilty.
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Originally Posted by knowhowiroll View Post
Just goes to show you that "unsinkable" can and does make a difference.

If there ever were an argument to make for unsinkable it has just been made last weekend.

This can be settled by asking a hypothetical question of Cooper, Bleakley and Smith. We can't ask them in person because they died fishing in an unsinkable boat.

The question is this:

"Which would you prefer:
Floating in 60 degree water and 14' seas, clinging to the hull of your unsinkable boat and having a 1 in 4 chance of being rescued 48 hours later, then spending 5 days in intensive care..."

Or...

"Having your boat sink to the bottom and activating an EPIRB. Then having the chopper that was hovering over you a few hours after you overturned, pick you up, throw a blanket around you and drop you off at your pickup truck so you'd be home for breakfast?"

What do you think the unanimous answer would be?


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This thread needs a good hijacking.
The question everyone seems to be answering is "what are the lessons learned by this tragedy, and how could we avoid the same fate?"
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The lesson the boating industry should learn from this tragedy is ALL new boats should have some form of epirb or pld....it would ad little in the way of cost. Look at the price of that Everglades - what is a few hundred dollars more? Not the perfect situation but it would have saved many lives on that trip.
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Originally Posted by TopCat View Post
. . . With a liferaft and an EPIRB, all 4 of those guys would be home right now. If there ever was an argument for a liferaft and an EPIRB, THAT'S what was made last weekend
Agree.
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Originally Posted by knowhowiroll View Post
Blah,blah this and blah,blah that if he would of had this if he would had that...fact of the matter is he had one of the few boats that would allow him an angle to save his life and that is a fact no ifs ands or whats about it. Just get over it.

Can you ohnestly say you have a raft stowed in your boat when you head out or an EPIRB? I seriously doubt it.
Yes I can without a doubt. 100% of the time when I leave the dock I have 6 things on me or on the boat prior to me tossing the lines.
1. 2 Epirbs, one Aquafix and one in a hydrostatic release mounted on the boat
2. 4 man canaster life raft

3. Sat phone

4. Ditch kit, Flairs, bottled water, granola bars, hand held gps, hand held VHF, mirror, strobe light, and that second epirb.

5. A fire arm yep I know some say yes some say no to the gun on a boat. But its my right and thats what I choose to do.

6. A float plan of some type. I give a general area I will be heading to. If my plans change I make a call on the sat phone.
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Originally Posted by knowhowiroll View Post
The lone survivor of the fishing trip gone bad was lucky he was on an Everglade boat. 99% of the boats of that length would have been bobbing with the motor down - waaay down with only the bow at times protruding the surface. No way would he have been straddling the keel strangling the lower unit on most boats. Because of the construction of that boat and a few others he survived.

Just goes to show you that "unsinkable" can and does make a difference.

If there ever were an argument to make for unsinkable it has just been made last weekend.



that term "unsinkable" may be why there are 3 dead people.
false sense of security
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Guys!

Nearest I can remember it was a 21' boat with 4 count'em 4 large men on board. 4 guys, gear, supplies, fuel, I bet that boat didn't have a whole bunch room to spare. The one and only good thing that would have surely saved ALL of'em, is the good sense to stay their behinds at home that day. The conditions that were present along with the loading of the boat contributed to their deaths..

Think about it, how many 21' boats have a canister life raft on board, how much room to they require, how heavy. It is a 21' boat.
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CopyKat said:

What do you think the unanimous answer would be?

"Having your boat sink to the bottom and activating an EPIRB. Then having the chopper that was hovering over you a few hours after you overturned, pick you up, throw a blanket around you and drop you off at your pickup truck so you'd be home for breakfast?"

The original post had nothing to do with the other 3. How many times have you heard the phrase "how much is one life worth". You keep arguing about some stupid unrelated issue not related to the original post. Fact is the others did not obviously stay with the boat which is the number one rule when waiting for help. I am not going any further regarding the why they did'nt I was not there.

Now back to the original post which is the lone survivor DID stay with the boat and I can only assume that the fact it was floating and providing a much better platform to do so from the pictures I saw in snotty conditions.

As I said earlier I have seen other so-called foamed boats meeting the minimum governmental requirements in peril in better conditions barely visible with their sterns totally submerged NOT affording an opportunity to stay with the boat.

And another couter point to your IFS AND OR WHATS concerning safety gear are'nt flares required. The assumption here would be that they did have them but as in the case of the PFDs were not immediately accessable. A lot of good they did them. If there really was a chopper hovering right above them donning a spotlight as the lone survivor recanted. Oh and by the way at that point all four men were in fact with the boat so a lot of good all this safety equipment would have been.

TopCat your rebuttals to the original post are irrelevant and full of holes this has been easy.

At this point I find it hard to have a rational discussion with an irrational person TopCat.
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To be fair, there's PLENTY of boats out there that would have performed in the same fashion as the "prestigous" Everglades in terms of "unsinkability". Yes, because the boat was over 20', Everglades was not required to make this boat unsinkable, but had it been shorter than 20', The coast guard would have required the boat to float with the stern up after being swamped, or the boat would not have been legal to sell to the public, so for Everglades, or any other boat MFG to claim a boat to be unsinkable, it would have to perform the same way.

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