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Old 02-05-2009, 10:46 AM
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It isn't getting any better for the BART Police Dept. After one of their own shot an unarmed person in the back on New Years day, 5 witnesses to the event are now suing the department. All of them claim the same thing; they were unarmed, cooperative with the BART police, physically abuse, cuffed, and made to sit cuffed for hours while the police investigated the shooting.

The cop that shot Oscar Grant in the back as he was face down on the ground came up for a bail hearing. He claimed he intended to taser Grant, accidentally grabbed his firearm. The judge said "I'm not buying it, but I'll give you bail." Bail is set at $3-million. The officer is sitting in jail, where he is expected to remain.

Don't know, haven't seen all of the videos, but I heard there are videos of the shooter cop before, during, and after the shooting. The before video shows the taser on his left side. The shooting video shows him grab his gun from the right side. The after video, sometime after the shooting, shows the taser moved to his right side. Humm.


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You have got to be kidding me. That is his defense. He confused his tazer with his gun?
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So far, that's it. We only have that because it came out at the bail hearing.
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Don't know, haven't seen all of the videos, but I heard there are videos of the shooter cop before, during, and after the shooting. The before video shows the taser on his left side. The shooting video shows him grab his gun from the right side. The after video, sometime after the shooting, shows the taser moved to his right side. Humm.

What a joke!!!!!!!!! That's why the cops were running around and trying to steal all the cell phones and cameras............so they could hide the facts. That is in part why I trust the cops as far as I can throw a truck!

edit: I wonder "if" this new video was used in his defense or will be attempted to be used in his defense? And if so, who gets busted for tampering with evidence? ........Probably no one, because the cops did it!
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Something that bothers me is the cop had to have known the other officers were confiscating cameras and cell phones, would have been obvious to him he was the star attraction. Even an idiot would realize the significance of changing anything, how it will compare to what is on the confiscated videos. He would have to be an idiot to an idiot to think he would get away with moving his taser to his right side. I'm not buying it, not yet.

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I'm just curious how many or you have been in a situation like this.....it's easy to second guess or Monday morning quarterback...BUT ....things like this do happen....don't get me wrong I'm not defending the officer blindly.....but without looking at training records and knowing a bit more of what happened beforehand...until a full investigation is completed I can't see the intent of this officer just pulling out his service weapon and firing it at the prisoner. In a stress situation officers will revert back to the training they were given be it correct or incorrect. It's a trained movement/reaction just as you would have in a martial arts ....you react the way you were taught to react without thinking about it...
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Is there any PROOF that he moved his taser? Do you have any idea how much of a PITA it is for a cop to re-arrange their duty belt? It is not something that is done in 30 seconds, I can tell you that.
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I'm a LEO (Law enforcement officer) in my department they mandate we carry our tazers on our non weapon side so that this type of thing dosn't happen.
People like this former officer and others that are stealing phones and cameras are the reason public trust is so low. There are a few of us out there that are
in it for the right reasons and do the right thing. I have no doubt that there are a bunch of low lifes wearing badges but not all of us. And remember with enough editing you can make a video support any statment. As a officer that tries to do the right thing the camera can be your best friend and will cover your A$$ most of the time.

RI Builder is right re-arranging a duty belt is a pain and can take some time.
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I'd only be guessing here, but what I'd expect has happened is the cops doctored the image to show the taser to be on the opposite side of the belt. Or someone affiliated with the cops or an individual cop did the work.

As you can tell I do not have a high regard for the integrity of cops. IMO they will fudge any situation to suit themself or a fellow officer if the situation warrants it.
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chalkguy - 2/6/2009 3:32 AM

...until a full investigation is completed I can't see the intent of this officer just pulling out his service weapon and firing it at the prisoner.
Well, if you want to believe the Alameda County District Attorney's Office, the intent was to make the guy dead. It worked.


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chalkguy - 2/5/2009 2:32 AM It's a trained movement/reaction just as you would have in a martial arts ....you react the way you were taught to react without thinking about it...
So are you saying the officer was taught to cuff a tranquil composed person, put them face down on the ground and then shoot them in the back killing them?
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What bothers me the most is that if it were'nt for all of the cameras he might have gotten away with it.

Also, all of the apologists who make up excuses whenever cops have a questionable kill. I grow weary of hearing how nobody understands and you wern't there. All it does is foster more distrust from the people whom they are supposed to be serving.

Is a cop even able to drive the speed limit or drive without tailgating?

To all of the LEO that feel that I am being unfair, I only call it as I see it and I am not alone in my feelings
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What bothers me the most is that if it were'nt for all of the cameras he might have gotten away with it.

Also, all of the apologists who make up excuses whenever cops have a questionable kill. I grow weary of hearing how nobody understands and you wern't there. All it does is foster more distrust from the people whom they are supposed to be serving.

Is a cop even able to drive the speed limit or drive without tailgating?

To all of the LEO that feel that I am being unfair, I only call it as I see it and I am not alone in my feelings
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JGarman - 2/6/2009 8:08 AM

What bothers me the most is that if it were'nt for all of the cameras he might have gotten away with it.

I think the same thing. I commented in the other thread about this last month that all of the cameras in public will change the way law enforcement does their job. But as the LEO above pointed out, the camera if a LEO's friend is the LEO is doing his job right.

Fwiw, there is still a part of me that is having trouble accepting a LEO intentionally shot a guy, face down, in the back. Even if he was a cop that occasionally slapped people around, that does not come anywhere near taking a life. But if it turns out he actually did change the position of the taser on his belt, I say draw and quarter him, in public.
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Two things I'm curious about, if anyone buys the excuse.

why would the officer want to tazer a guy that was already under control (cuffed and down)?

How does everyone feel knowing the people with our protection in there hands are dense enough to not realize that there tazer is blue and metal instead of bright yellow and plastic before the shot?
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How does everyone feel knowing the people with our protection in there hands are dense enough to not realize that there tazer is blue and metal instead of bright yellow and plastic before the shot?
For the cop to say to the courts that he thought he had his taser in his hands when he shoot is like telling the world that he has a brain smaller then a peanut! One for saying that. Two for not knowing the difference between the feel and weight of the two different instruments. Three, it would appear that the cop raise his gun as if to be looking down the sights as he aimed and shoot and he didn’t notice that it was a gun in his hands.........crips I’d have to be mentally retarded to buy into that sh!t, yet the cops work hard to sell it!




I find this EXTREMELY Interesting....... what happened to the link in the first post (listed below) that showed the girl’s recording of the shooting at the subway?????? Obviously there is only one party that can pull posts, threads or edit threads around here and there would only be a very small few around here that would have a vested interest in having that link pulled.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...ighlightmode=1

So no wonder why people like me form such strong opinions against the ones that wear blue! But the really sad part about it all is, the people that don’t see the true colour of blue are the ones that can be fooled into having there shoe laces tied together.
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Eyeball - 2/5/2009 4:28 PM

Fwiw, there is still a part of me that is having trouble accepting a LEO intentionally shot a guy, face down, in the back. Even if he was a cop that occasionally slapped people around, that does not come anywhere near taking a life. But if it turns out he actually did change the position of the taser on his belt, I say draw and quarter him, in public.
I do not believe that he intentionally shot him but he should not have removed his weapon from its holster if the guy was already cuffed.

I ran across this site ( http://bluemustbetrue.com/ )when the original thread was active. When you hear about singular incidents then you can dismiss them but when the same or similar actions routinely take place and command/politicians/etc continually stand up for them it is a problem.
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What bothers me the most is that if it were'nt for all of the cameras he might have gotten away with it.

Also, all of the apologists who make up excuses whenever cops have a questionable kill. I grow weary of hearing how nobody understands and you wern't there. All it does is foster more distrust from the people whom they are supposed to be serving.

Is a cop even able to drive the speed limit or drive without tailgating?

To all of the LEO that feel that I am being unfair, I only call it as I see it and I am not alone in my feelings
Cell phone records audio of cop killing man
February 6th, 2009

An off-duty transportation cop shot and killed a man he was arguing with last September and now a cell phone audio recording of the shooting has emerged.

Darryl Simmons, a sergeant with the Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority police department, has maintained that he shot Joe McNair because he thought he “was reaching for a gun,” according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

In the profanity-laced recording, McNair can be heard asking Simmons several times: “You jealous of me, man?” and Simmons saying “All I want you to do is keep your dogs down.” The two men exchange more profanities before five shots are heard.

Then, before Simmons calls medics or police, he can be heard calling his wife: “Hey. I just shot and killed this b—-. I said, ‘I just shot this b—-.’ Yeah, come down to the bottom of the hill. Call 9-1-1.”

McNair had no weapon.

McNair had made a phone call prior to the argument, which ended up in the recipient’s voice mailbox, enabling it to record the argument and the shooting. The incident occurred September 17th, 2008 in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.

Although Simmons has not been charged in the shooting, the newly revealed audio raises new questions.
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Cell phone records audio of cop killing man
February 6th, 2009

An off-duty transportation cop shot and killed a man he was arguing with last September and now a cell phone audio recording of the shooting has emerged.

Darryl Simmons, a sergeant with the Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority police department, has maintained that he shot Joe McNair because he thought he “was reaching for a gun,” according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

In the profanity-laced recording, McNair can be heard asking Simmons several times: “You jealous of me, man?” and Simmons saying “All I want you to do is keep your dogs down.” The two men exchange more profanities before five shots are heard.

Then, before Simmons calls medics or police, he can be heard calling his wife: “Hey. I just shot and killed this b—-. I said, ‘I just shot this b—-.’ Yeah, come down to the bottom of the hill. Call 9-1-1.”

McNair had no weapon.

McNair had made a phone call prior to the argument, which ended up in the recipient’s voice mailbox, enabling it to record the argument and the shooting. The incident occurred September 17th, 2008 in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.

Although Simmons has not been charged in the shooting, the newly revealed audio raises new questions.
"Although Simmons has not been charged in the shooting"..........yah because the bastard lied through his teeth!!! Murder, perjury and falsifying evidence......that should put that cop away for life without parole and anything less would not be good enough!

You know the really sad part about all this is, these are but a few of the cases that come to light. I don't even want to imagine how many cases there is of cops manipulating the truth/ facts every day of the year; probably in the thousands per week across the land.

Cops pretty much demand our respect, yet they treat us worse then dogs. It is no wonder why cops have no respect from so many! In my books one has to earn respect, I will not bow to it nor will I give it freely because of a uniform.
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