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blueh20pc 12-21-2008 11:13 AM

Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Redoing my small bathroom with tile.

Gotta lay it out first because the radiant heat thinset is gonna cover my marks on the floor, therefore I gotta mark the tile corners on the wall before I proceed to lay the electric mat.

What do you guys think, trying to minimize cuts. I got a wet saw.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/PC210571.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/PC210574.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/PC210573.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...c/PC210572.jpg

Domino Effect 12-21-2008 11:28 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
that will look fine, all of your short cuts will be under the cabinet and behind the toilet out of site.

blueh20pc 12-21-2008 11:31 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Thanks Lee,

BTW, Merry Xmas and all that whatnot!

blueh20pc 12-21-2008 11:56 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Buddy of mine just said to remember that I got 3/4" of baseboard trim to install, so I should offset it off the wall.

emudryj 12-21-2008 01:14 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 

blueh20pc - 12/21/2008 1:56 PM Buddy of mine just said to remember that I got 3/4" of baseboard trim to install, so I should offset it off the wall.
:nono::nono:

I'm not an expert but I think that is the other way around with the trim base board...

I understand that: you want the floor tile to go all the way to the wall and then the baseboard on top of the floor. this way you get the two cut sides together and hidden, with all the "finished" sides exposed...

Did I explain myself correctly??? please could somebody agree or disagree???

edit: sorry I was under the assumption that you were using the same tile to do the baseboard thats why I was talking about keeping cut side together and hidden, but re-read you op and saw something about a 3/4". Either way it's still the same, the trim goes over the cut tile to hide the imperfections of the cuting.

gregGradyfish 12-21-2008 01:34 PM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
I would lay it out like you have it except I would start in the doorway with a whole diagonal piece off of your threshold and sheetrock. Put the cuts at the tub and behind vanity, toilet.

blueh20pc 12-21-2008 01:47 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 

emudryj - 12/21/2008 11:14 AM





:nono::nono:

I'm not an expert but I think that is the other way around with the trim base board...

I understand that: you want the floor tile to go all the way to the wall and then the baseboard on top of the floor. this way you get the two cut sides together and hidden, with all the "finished" sides exposed...

Did I explain myself correctly??? please could somebody agree or disagree???

edit: sorry I was under the assumption that you were using the same tile to do the baseboard thats why I was talking about keeping cut side together and hidden, but re-read you op and saw something about a 3/4". Either way it's still the same, the trim goes over the cut tile to hide the imperfections of the cuting.
Yes, you're right, I have offspaced it to the left on the first picture by 3/4 inch to allow for my baseboard to cover the tile, giving me a little bit of grout line on each side of the basebaord trim on the "width" of the room so to say.

Also, I'm thinking of cutting 2" strips of 12" tile to threshold the shower and door, making it look a bit more "custom", like I knew what I was doing.

BTW, first time tiling a floor, so.... Let's mix some Thinset!!!!

If it turns out bad I'll post pictures of the hammer I used to smash it up. :grin:

I got the tiles for 3$ a box on discount.

Reelescape1 12-21-2008 02:11 PM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 

gregGradyfish - 12/21/2008 12:34 PM

I would lay it out like you have it except I would start in the doorway with a whole diagonal piece off of your threshold and sheetrock. Put the cuts at the tub and behind vanity, toilet.
I agree, move everything towards the entrance door to get a whole tile there to start. I did not and think it would look much better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...1/IMG_1720.jpg

CopyKat 12-21-2008 02:54 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
I assume you mean you have to "minimize cuts" AND lay it diagonally? The best way to do this is with a cad program. Draw the floor area to scale, create a tile and then array it in a rectangular array, taking into account your grout spacing. Then just move it around until it looks just right. After you get it the way you want it, you should easily be able to measure the tile points where they contact the wall.


twentynine 12-21-2008 03:43 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Most efficient?

In what?

Number of tiles?

Number of cuts?

Lay out a square pattern to use less tile and with less cuts. However i like the 45* layout but it is not the most efficient.

For what it is worth, lay it out all the way to the wall, do not allow 3/4".

Garett 12-22-2008 04:04 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
IMO forget about trying to save yourself a few cuts here and there when laying up a floor on the diagonal. When tiling small spaces or hallways the finish look always out weighs the effort it took to make it.

You’re asking us about layout, well I have to ask you, are you installing a vanity that goes right to the floor, a free standing vanity or a pedestal sink? The reason why I ask is because that determines how much floor will be exposed along the left side wall and that will/ should dictate the tile layout pattern. The pattern of tile layout should not be determined as an empty room, but more as a completed room.

If you do a full tile at the threshold (corner of the tile touches the threshold but not cut) then I think it would look bang on to offset your tile that 3/4" along the right hand wall (given your baseboard is 3/4"). Judging by your pics I think you’d have plenty of tile at the tub to look more then acceptable. But in saying that, I certainly wouldn’t be taking that approach if I were installing a pedestal sink and I would have to seriously think things through if I were installing a free standing vanity.

RI Builder 12-22-2008 06:01 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Tryin to save cuts is a waste of time, especially in a room that small. If you want your pattern to be on the diagonal, shift everything over so your first tile starts in the center of your doorway. If not, you will end up with an eyesore on your hands.

You also need to measure the length of the room to determine the size of the first tile, so you do not have less than half a tile at the end of the room (See Reelescapes photo for reference).

No offense, but if you were to set the tiles the way you show them, it would scream DIY job.

Tireless 12-22-2008 06:37 AM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
What they said. While you are thinking about it I would stuff a rag in the toilet and sink drain. :grin:

RI Builder 12-22-2008 06:44 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Oh, one other thing. Add a threshold at the doorway as well.

Tireless 12-22-2008 07:06 AM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 

RI Builder - 12/22/2008 8:44 AM

Oh, one other thing. Add a threshold at the doorway as well.
I have a few other suggestions...

1) If you have a bunch of tile you could continue the tile work up the walls approx. and really dress up the room.

or...

2) You could add an inexpensive 4ft to 5ft wainscoting addition as shown in this pic......

http://www.bluewatercustom.com/image..._After3fix.jpg

Garett 12-22-2008 03:40 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Oh hey blueh20pc, when you do get around to doing that floor, the white little rubber spacers, well they don't go the way you're showing in your pics. You've got one per a four tile corner, the proper way of using them is to use one rubber spacer standing upright about an inch in from the corner per tile. You are using one spacer per corner, whereas the proper way of using them is to have four spacers per corner. When use properly all one has to do is pull them out by hand after the thinset has cured.

gregGradyfish 12-22-2008 03:52 PM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
P.S.

Dont center your doorway like somebody suggested. That floor will turn out bad if you do. Lay off the right wall and door way with full diagonals for the best look for that particular room. Have fun. :thumbsup:

kingair 12-22-2008 09:32 PM

Re: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
Here is a online tile designer.

http://www.daltileproducts.com/dar.cfm#

kerno 12-22-2008 11:56 PM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 
A different take here.....

It looks like you are using a ceramic tile. Every cut edge on ceramic tile is sharp, whereas the factory edges have some radius on them. If you use a stone tile, whether granite or travetine, you can restore the radius and give a finished edge to your cuts.

If you use travertine, you can finish it with a router. I am doing quite a bit of tile in my new house and I am wrapping up the base boards and onto the windowsills. My tile guy about fell over when I said "use a router", but it works like a champ. Adding a bullnose is simple, as is cutting around drywall corners. Here's a shot before it was grouted:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...baseboards.jpg

abeal2 12-23-2008 06:14 AM

RE: Is this tile layout the most efficient?
 

kerno - 12/23/2008 1:56 AM

A different take here.....

It looks like you are using a ceramic tile. Every cut edge on ceramic tile is sharp, whereas the factory edges have some radius on them. If you use a stone tile, whether granite or travetine, you can restore the radius and give a finished edge to your cuts.

If you use travertine, you can finish it with a router. I am doing quite a bit of tile in my new house and I am wrapping up the base boards and onto the windowsills. My tile guy about fell over when I said "use a router", but it works like a champ. Adding a bullnose is simple, as is cutting around drywall corners. Here's a shot before it was grouted:

Nice idea...what kind of bit are you using?


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