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Old 12-14-2008, 08:18 AM
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I recently purchased a used 2002 8 hp engine from a charter captain on another forum. The engine was represented to be in excellent running condition and was having a new water pump installed when I had first inquired about it. I offered to pay the asking price (which was a very fair price) and the Captain was to call me once the water pump job was completed. I drove to pick the engine up and the Captain explained that he had been attempting to change the lower unit gear oil and had misplaced the gear oil plugs. He reduced the price of the engine for the inconvenience of me having to purchase new plugs and gear oil. I was again assured that the engine ran fine (it was for my kid's little aluminum boat). He said he had had it running after the water pump had been installed and it was running fine. I'm sure you can guess where this is headed.Long story short is that the engine wouldn't run. It had to have a carb rebuild as it was leaking gas as was the choke apparatus. Additionally, the water pump was installed incorrectly and the impeller had to be replaced. My mechanic explained that a water pump housing gasket was also never installed. Additionally, there is some sort of connection between the water pump and the "pee tube" water pump indicator that was not connected so that it even if the engine could run, no water would have come out of the water pump indicator pee hole. The bottom line was that my mechanic, who is both an excellent mechanic and very fair/honest, felt that there was no way that this engine had been running in the recent past. I contacted the seller who reiterated that the engine was in excellent running condition and that I must have done something to it. This is a young guy (early 20's) who is trying to start a charter business. I provided him with the name/number of the mechanic so that he could speak with him directly. He indicated that he would call but never did. I offered to have him refund my money or split the cost of the repair....never heard from him again.While we aren't talking a tremendous amount of money, it is the principle of the matter that bothers me. I would think that a charter captain would be more ethical in transactions that involve marine items. Obviously, I'm an idiot for purchasing an engine that I never saw run. Won't make that mistake again. Just wondering what others would do in this situation. It isn't worth my time pursuing it in small claims court. I'm likely going to just live and learn, but I sure hate being "taken." I actually feel a little better just making a public admission that I was a fool to trust someone when making a local purchase.
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:41 AM
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You learned your leason about trust, and it didn't cost you an arm or a leg.

Chalk it up to experience, and don't ever never ever use that guy for or recommend him for a charter.
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Old 12-14-2008, 12:35 PM
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Have your mechanic fix it and send the guy a bill. Don't plan on ever seeing anything from it but at least you did what you could. Chalk the rest up to lessons learned and move on with your life. Unless it was a lot of cash its not worth clinging on to the aggrivation. Now you could always post up on the other forum about this experience but other than venting, it probably won't do you any good.

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Old 12-14-2008, 01:23 PM
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One4Water - 12/15/2008 4:35 AM

Have your mechanic fix it and send the guy a bill. Don't plan on ever seeing anything from it but at least you did what you could. Chalk the rest up to lessons learned and move on with your life. Unless it was a lot of cash its not worth clinging on to the aggrivation. Now you could always post up on the other forum about this experience but other than venting, it probably won't do you any good.
Ditto, except that since he is in his early 20's, lacking some life experience, I'd go by the courthouse and grab a free brochure on how to file a small claims lawsuit. Toss that in with the bill along with a note saying you need to be paid immediately, send it to him. Then don't follow up, write it off to experience.

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Old 12-14-2008, 01:36 PM
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sweep the leg
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:49 PM
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I would call him out in a public forum since he will not return your call's.mayby in public he will make something happen
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:56 PM
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I agree with Tommy. Call him out on the forum you purchased it on.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:34 PM
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Better yet, what's the dirt bags name and the name of his charter??
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:57 AM
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Call him out!
It seems he stole your "Enter" key while you weren't looking, too.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:26 AM
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If the guy is getting into a "trust" type of business, then we, the public, should do whatever we can to either teach him about honor or teach the public about his lack of it...

Call him out after you've told him precisely what you're going to do if he doesn't come clean with you. Include the BBB, Charter Captain associations, license bureaus, etc
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Old 12-15-2008, 07:04 AM
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Bama,

That is a really good idea. I've puchased quite a few items from forum members and haven't had any issues (love the item I purchased from you, by the way).

It is funny how some of these things work out with a silver lining. I ended up finding an excellent, honest, and reasonable marine mechanic just 1/2 mile from my house who has fixed the engine for me. Just finding someone like that is well worth the aggravation I went through. I do like Eyeball's idea about including a small claims notice, however, I think I'll have an attorney friend of mine send him a demand letter asking for a refund of the repair cost. I know I'll never get it, but perhaps it will make him think twice in the future.

I'm also going to post a "buyer beware" thread on the site that I purchased the engine as he is selling another engine at a much higher price. It is probably a good engine but want to make sure others don't take his word.

Thanks again folks....it is nice to know I'm not alone in being bothered by someone's dishonesty. I can easily afford the repair cost and it really isn't all that big of a deal. What bothers me is that I think about all the folks for whom things are tight at the moment. I think about some father out there who might be spending what little free cash he has to put a small motor on a little boat for his kid only to learn that it doesn't run and that he can't afford to fix it. I grew up in a family like that. My folks weren't very well off financially but my folks were hard working and honest. My dad actually built a little row boat when I was a kid and got a "junker" 10hp from the dump that he got running. That was the beginning of my boating addiction and it provided me with many great memories. I bought a little old 12' aluminum boat for my son and we repainted it together and had planned on putting the motor on it. I had shown him the cost of a new engine vs the used engine. At the same time, I was trying to instill in him the idea that we are very fortunate and that there are a lot of kids out there that don't have the things that he has. We made an "agreement" that we would find a used engine for his boat instead of new and donate our "savings" from the cost of a new engine to our local Metropolitan Ministries to help other less fortunate kids during Christmas. The plan hasn't changed, however, it was definitely a bummer that my kid at age 10 had to see first hand that there are some folks out there that can't be trusted.

Sorry for the rambling. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and Happy Holidays.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:19 AM
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You seem like a real awesome dad. Congrats, we need more of you these days. Your son will learn from this also.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:20 AM
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If I was your son I would go mess that guy up!
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:06 PM
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Waterdoc,
You got some good recommendations. I would definitely tighten the guy up a little with a letter from an attorney (if its a friend doing a friend a solid). You sound like you are raising your son up right and showing him the true spirit of Christmas and of being a good person. I would call the guy out particularily after you give him a chance or two to make it right...
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