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December 12, 2008
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The Oceans’ Shifting Balance
Most of us understand that what we give off in the form of exhaust — from cars and manufacturing and energy production and burning forests — makes its way into the atmosphere, and is responsible for changes in the global climate. What is less familiar is the fact that the oceans are absorbing as much as a third of the carbon dioxide being emitted into the atmosphere.

The effects are already being felt. That added carbon dioxide is slowly making the oceans less alkaline and more acidic, altering the chemical balance on which much of oceanic life depends. Carbon dioxide reacts with seawater to form carbonic acid, a process that consumes carbonate ions. Those ions are necessary for the chemical reaction used to form calcium carbonate, the structural element in corals and the shells of many marine animals.

As the oceans acidify, shells will simply dissolve. The growth of coral reefs will slow, and their structural integrity would be weakened, making them more vulnerable to storms and erosion. That would be a catastrophic loss. The list of potential long-term effects to oceanic life is only beginning to be explored.

Scientists have understood ocean acidification for a long time. But what they are learning now is how quickly it is increasing, in step with increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. New studies show that if carbon dioxide emissions continue at current rates, shells and corals could begin to dissolve — especially in the southern oceans — within 30 years. Observations from many places, including the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean, suggest that ocean acidification is proceeding much faster than anyone had thought.

Combating a change as fundamental as this requires a fundamental change in awareness and behavior. What is needed is a mental stencil of the kind you find near storm drains in Los Angeles that say: “This Drains to Ocean.” A third of whatever we emit in the way of carbon dioxide ultimately drains to the ocean, which is all the more reason to curb emissions quickly.
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CO2 makes up less than 1/10 of a percent of the amosphere. and the amount contributed by humans is less than 1/10 of that.

the earth has been changing for 4+ billions years and there's just about nothing we can do to stop it. dinosaur farts were more harmful to the environment than cars. what we have been able to do in recent years is measure the changes...what we didn't know before, didn't hurt us...ignorance was bliss. but now that we can measure it, we think we can change it.

now, that doesn't mean i'm not in favor or protecting the environment and reducing pollutants...but to think that we're going to change the earth's atmosphere is hubris of the highest order.
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I like the title "the ocean is changing". When hasn't the ocean been changing?
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happyjack92 - 12/12/2008 9:48 AMCO2 makes up less than 1/10 of a percent of the amosphere. and the amount contributed by humans is less than 1/10 of that.the earth has been changing for 4+ billions years and there's just about nothing we can do to stop it. dinosaur farts were more harmful to the environment than cars. what we have been able to do in recent years is measure the changes...what we didn't know before, didn't hurt us...ignorance was bliss. but now that we can measure it, we think we can change it.now, that doesn't mean i'm not in favor or protecting the environment and reducing pollutants...but to think that we're going to change the earth's atmosphere is hubris of the highest order.


Agree. Time and money is better spent determining how to deal with possible changes, and even how to capitalize on them. Not trying to reverse them. You are kidding yourself if you think we can reverse or even moderate such events.
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A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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I'm not going to point fingers at countries, but if countries STOPPED using the ocean as a toilet or garbage dump the oceans would be far better off!
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A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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Halfswede - 12/12/2008 10:36 AM A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media. 2005 Mckee Craft Freedom24 Twin 200 ETecs
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Haven't seen that since AdamT got the boot. Hmmm.
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The ocean is changing and Al Gore is filling his pockets with all of his "green efforts"... Oh yeah,I'm sending this to the bilge.
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A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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After this election the NYT proved there not
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Did someone mention ALgore???

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Yes, the oceans are changing. do we stop it? I don't think so. I travel all over the Caribbean and both sides of central America. The United States is not the major problem in this part of the world. Every factory, bus, semi, and car in central America(except Costa Rica) is belching out the worst smoke and exhaust there is. Yes we have more people and cars than other countries but if you add all the third world up it will dwarf the USA. They have trash of every type in the streets and raw sewage flowing into every river. It all ends up in the ocean. Where you fish a weed line in the USA we fish a trash line in central America.

I can't blame the average person in these countries. they are just trying to get by and find enough money to buy food for the family. The governments are nothing but a legal way of steeling what little money the country has. Politicians in the third world do not get elected to do something for the country, they get elected to get rich by steeling the countries money. All of that being said we can do all that we want in the USA and it will have little of no effect on the overall condition of the oceans. all of the trash and pollution that enters the oceans in central America and the Caribbean sea ends up spreading because of the currents in that region. I do not have first hand knowledge of the rest of the world but I don't see any reason that it would be any different.

Good luck on making any difference in the USA
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tommyr904 - 12/12/2008 7:49 PM

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A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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THAT'S interesting!! Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which news sources that *you * consider to be "credible".



After this election the NYT proved there not
WHAT?!?!?!?!
Can you put this in English?

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The ocean is changing and Al Gore is filling his pockets with all of his "green efforts"... Oh yeah,I'm sending this to the bilge.
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Hydro - 12/12/2008 8:03 PM

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Halfswede - 12/12/2008 10:36 AM

A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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THAT'S interesting!! Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which news sources that *you * consider to be "credible".



After this election the NYT proved there not
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Can you put this in English?



THE NEW YORK TIMES IS NOT CREDIBLE.THEY PROVED THAT DURING THE ELECTION'S WITH THERE BIAS REPORTING.



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A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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THAT'S interesting!! Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which news sources that *you * consider to be "credible".

Oh, no need. The NYT is my favorite source of reliable, unbiased news, they endorsed BO and every other dumocrat out there. You don't think they might have an agenda do you?

If this doesn't send it to the bilge, nothing will.
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Halfswede - 12/12/2008 10:36 AM

A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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THAT'S interesting!! Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which news sources that *you * consider to be "credible".



After this election the NYT proved there not
WHAT?!?!?!?!
Can you put this in English?



THE NEW YORK TIMES IS NOT CREDIBLE.THEY PROVED THAT DURING THE ELECTION'S WITH THERE BIAS REPORTING.



understand
Maybe English isn't your strong suit.


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Back-in-Black - 12/12/2008 8:42 PM

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Halfswede - 12/12/2008 10:36 AM

A New York Times opinion piece? Not a credible news source. Greenland was once rather temperate also. And that was when the only combustion exhaust fumes emanated from primitive campfires. Inconvenient fact! You may now return to your regularly scheduled delusions provided to you by ye olde media.



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THAT'S interesting!! Maybe you can enlighten all of us as to which news sources that *you * consider to be "credible".

Oh, no need. The NYT is my favorite source of reliable, unbiased news, they endorsed BO and every other dumocrat out there. You don't think they might have an agenda do you?

If this doesn't send it to the bilge, nothing will.
Is THAT what you want?? Why? Are you afraid of what was printed and don't want it discussed here?


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