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Old 12-12-2008, 07:52 AM
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Cracker - 12/12/2008 6:34 AM

Yes we get updates, I had to dig back through all of them. Any gov't agency is real good at killing trees.
I do consulting work with federal, state and municipal governement agencies and yes the number of trees that they kill is rediculous. and many times the updates and revisions are useless.

Even in a specific area, I do not see how anyone that has a life outside of their job can know all the rules and regulations associated with any job.
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So what happens when I take my legally registered,tagged and inspected bike down from PA? MY tag is sideways and passes state inspection. The taillight has a built in reflector but no extras are back there and none on the tag.

It's legal here and I am not changing a thing to cross state lines. So far I have not received a ticket in any other state. I doubt out of staters will be made to pay. It's the same as if I drove my car from PA to Jersey. Jersey needs plates front and rear, PA only rear. They will not ticket for not having a front plate if your home state does not require one.

Those fines seem way extreme. I doubt they will be able to enforce for legal out of state bikes. Maybe for locally registered ones they will though.

I would be interested to see what they do.
You are correct - Interstate Commerce and all that - no judge or prosecuters would enforce this on out of state bikes. I would guess law enforcement has been so advised.
I have after market pipes on my bikes that meet the NC decibel laws. However, California has laws that would probably render them illegal. Can I go to California and ride my bike legally? Not challenging you at all because I totally agree with your statement.
I think loud pipes can be a different as it is considered a moving violation of sorts or a public nuisance violation. I have straight pipes as well. They are legal(barely) in my area and most around me but I did get stopped in a small town where they had pretty strict noise laws for bikes and stereos. The officer basically just told me about it since he knew I was not from around there. He told me to throttle down a bit to not upset the locals and have a nice day

The biggest thing with noise laws is the police have to have the proper testing equipment and the proper scenario to test in order to make it stick. If the test requires 3000 rpm at 50 feet, they need to prove they did that. Though it is rarely worth fighting it. Even if you fight and win, chances are you will piss someone off and end up geting hassled next time around.
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Details of what is legal for tag mounts:

Tag must be horizontal
Tag must be at rear most of the bike viewable from 100 feet away and can be seen from both sides of the bike
Tag must be lite with white light
There must be a reflector at the back of the bike (either on the tag or on the mount
I don't see the problem with those requirements. The tag should be lighted and visible and easily readable.

What is the big deal?
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So what happens when I take my legally registered,tagged and inspected bike down from PA? MY tag is sideways and passes state inspection. The taillight has a built in reflector but no extras are back there and none on the tag.

It's legal here and I am not changing a thing to cross state lines. So far I have not received a ticket in any other state. I doubt out of staters will be made to pay. It's the same as if I drove my car from PA to Jersey. Jersey needs plates front and rear, PA only rear. They will not ticket for not having a front plate if your home state does not require one.

Those fines seem way extreme. I doubt they will be able to enforce for legal out of state bikes. Maybe for locally registered ones they will though.

I would be interested to see what they do.
You are correct - Interstate Commerce and all that - no judge or prosecuters would enforce this on out of state bikes. I would guess law enforcement has been so advised.
I have after market pipes on my bikes that meet the NC decibel laws. However, California has laws that would probably render them illegal. Can I go to California and ride my bike legally? Not challenging you at all because I totally agree with your statement.
I am sorry but loud pipes should be a felony.

Why should everyone within a 1/2 mile have to listen to that crap?
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:33 AM
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Within the legal limit they are not that bad. Mine do have some baffling in them. Not much, but enough to be legal.

And I am not one of those that got them just to make noise. They add performance and better looks than stock. Yes they do make more noise but they also aid in people knowing I am there. It beats getting run over by the lady in the SUV on her cell phone who "didn't know I was there". Sorry if it bothers you.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:41 AM
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Details of what is legal for tag mounts:

Tag must be horizontal
Tag must be at rear most of the bike viewable from 100 feet away and can be seen from both sides of the bike
Tag must be lite with white light
There must be a reflector at the back of the bike (either on the tag or on the mount
I don't see the problem with those requirements. The tag should be lighted and visible and easily readable.

What is the big deal?
Those requirements aren't the big deal. it's the punishment. lots of choppers and other custom bikes have laterally mounted tags. lots of other bikes don't have reflectors or a white light on the tag. 3rd offence gets 5 grand and 10 year license suspension. thats as bad as a 3rd dui. you can get 3 tickets in one day at bike week.
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Old 12-12-2008, 02:38 PM
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One4Water - 12/12/2008 12:33 PM

Within the legal limit they are not that bad. Mine do have some baffling in them. Not much, but enough to be legal.

And I am not one of those that got them just to make noise. They add performance and better looks than stock. Yes they do make more noise but they also aid in people knowing I am there. It beats getting run over by the lady in the SUV on her cell phone who "didn't know I was there". Sorry if it bothers you.
It is probably not you causing the problem, but I have issues with the noise. I live 3/4 of a mile from I-95 in central Florida and the bikers are a pain in the ass or I should say ear. When a 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinder bike make more noise than a 80,000 # diesel semi....something is wrong. The loud guys are going to cause problems for those that are considerate of others.

I have a friend whose son was stopped for a loud music violation. I told him that he should go to court and fight it because the music was not as offensive as the loud pipes on bikes. I guess the police just target who they want.
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Shag - 12/12/2008 7:42 AM

I have after market pipes on my bikes that meet the NC decibel laws. However, California has laws that would probably render them illegal. Can I go to California and ride my bike legally? Not challenging you at all because I totally agree with your statement.
I can't say specifically, but in general, a vehicle entering Calif has 30-days to comply with state vehicle standards. That allows for visitors to visit with a vehicle that would otherwise not be legal in the state. It also gives transplants time to make any "corrections". There is no way the state knows when you enter Calif, so the 30-day limit (or whatever) is pretty much meaningless.

There is also a time limit for transplants to register their car in Calif. Most transplants don't until their home state tags expire because it is so friggin' expensive to reg a car in Calif (and just increased! Thanks, Arnold.). So the state will give neighbors $50 to rat on a transplant that doesn't reg within the time limit. Surprisingly, a lot of people went for the $50, ratted on their new neighbors. And a lot of transplants go hit with multi-hundred dollar fines.
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Old 12-12-2008, 08:13 PM
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The problem with insane fines like those is it provides even more incentive for violators to flee rather than suffer such a fine. About as smart as the dumb a$$ "aggressive driver" laws VA passed...that were repealed this year after public outcry.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:36 AM
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Thank the smart asses who thought they could bend their motorcycle plates so you can not see them then drive like assholes. Driving between cars up to red lights, terrorizing other drivers by using the public roads as a private race track, cruising by places with sidewalk cafes in modified bikes so they are extra loud, and generally being a public nuisance.

They bend the plates knowing that in heavy traffic, cops can not catch them. And with no plate to see there is no way to prove that they are the one who did it once the police lose sight of them.

So why not fine someone $1000 for an improperly displayed motor cycle tag? My truck has a plate frame that does not allow it to bend so it can not be seen. And to be street legal all vehicles have to have a license plate light. My neighbor rides a motorcycle and his plate is never bent up so it can not be seen. If he can have a properly displayed plate - what is the big deal?

The ONLY people that will be "screwed" at bike week are those who want to be screwed.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:13 AM
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Lazy_Iguana - 12/15/2008 4:36 AM

So why not fine someone $1000 for an improperly displayed motor cycle tag?
After all, it is just as unsafe as running 50 MPH over the limit.
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gashogg - 12/11/2008 2:17 PMDetails of what is legal for tag mounts:Tag must be horizontalTag must be at rear most of the bike viewable from 100 feet away and can be seen from both sides of the bikeTag must be lite with white lightThere must be a reflector at the back of the bike (either on the tag or on the mount
I don't see the problem with those requirements. The tag should be lighted and visible and easily readable.What is the big deal?
Agreed.
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One4Water - 12/11/2008 4:08 PM

So what happens when I take my legally registered,tagged and inspected bike down from PA? MY tag is sideways and passes state inspection. The taillight has a built in reflector but no extras are back there and none on the tag.

It's legal here and I am not changing a thing to cross state lines. So far I have not received a ticket in any other state. I doubt out of staters will be made to pay. It's the same as if I drove my car from PA to Jersey. Jersey needs plates front and rear, PA only rear. They will not ticket for not having a front plate if your home state does not require one.

Those fines seem way extreme. I doubt they will be able to enforce for legal out of state bikes. Maybe for locally registered ones they will though.

I would be interested to see what they do.
You are correct - Interstate Commerce and all that - no judge or prosecuters would enforce this on out of state bikes. I would guess law enforcement has been so advised.
I have after market pipes on my bikes that meet the NC decibel laws. However, California has laws that would probably render them illegal. Can I go to California and ride my bike legally? Not challenging you at all because I totally agree with your statement.
I am sorry but loud pipes should be a felony.

Why should everyone within a 1/2 mile have to listen to that crap?
To make sure Soccer mom on a cell doesn't run your ass over.....

Many times right as someone is going to cut me off, a nice "Rap" on the throttle will jar the cell phone out from under their ear and make them not hit me. The rest of the time, I take evasive maneuvers.
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:58 PM
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Somethin-Fishey - 12/15/2008 5:59 PM

Seacat FL - 12/12/2008 9:55 AM

Shag - 12/11/2008 6:42 PM

LI Sound Grunt - 12/11/2008 3:22 PM

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So what happens when I take my legally registered,tagged and inspected bike down from PA? MY tag is sideways and passes state inspection. The taillight has a built in reflector but no extras are back there and none on the tag.

It's legal here and I am not changing a thing to cross state lines. So far I have not received a ticket in any other state. I doubt out of staters will be made to pay. It's the same as if I drove my car from PA to Jersey. Jersey needs plates front and rear, PA only rear. They will not ticket for not having a front plate if your home state does not require one.

Those fines seem way extreme. I doubt they will be able to enforce for legal out of state bikes. Maybe for locally registered ones they will though.

I would be interested to see what they do.
You are correct - Interstate Commerce and all that - no judge or prosecuters would enforce this on out of state bikes. I would guess law enforcement has been so advised.
I have after market pipes on my bikes that meet the NC decibel laws. However, California has laws that would probably render them illegal. Can I go to California and ride my bike legally? Not challenging you at all because I totally agree with your statement.
I am sorry but loud pipes should be a felony.

Why should everyone within a 1/2 mile have to listen to that crap?
To make sure Soccer mom on a cell doesn't run your ass over.....

Many times right as someone is going to cut me off, a nice "Rap" on the throttle will jar the cell phone out from under their ear and make them not hit me. The rest of the time, I take evasive maneuvers.
That is what a horn is for. The rest of us should not have to listen. I think it is just ego. But really what can you expect from people who ride a Harley because they like the way it shakes.?

I would outlaw anything louder than factory pipes. I hope this law is a good start.
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:45 AM
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Communities all over the country are passing sound regulations on motorcycles, the non motorcycling population is feed up with the obnoxious noise of un muffled motorcycles. "Loud Pipes Save Lives" is just an excuse the "Hey look at me on my bad ass motorcycle" riders use to justify offending everyone. In fact there is some evidence to support the fact that riders with loud pipes are over represented in accidents. Of course I think that has more to do with the attitude and riding skill of these riders than it does the loud pipes. I have over 40 years of accident free riding and I have never seen a situation where I thought loud pipes would have made a difference in any close calls experienced
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First of all, it wasn't the Harleys that initiated the new Florida law. It was the ricers who were pulling wheelies at 100+ MPH and bending their tags so that they couldn't be seen. The OP was about a $1,000 fine for a tag violation. 3rd offense is a felony. IMHO that's just a tad bit harsh.

As far as pipes go it seems that some opinions here are that there are loud pipes and quiet pipes with no in between. I have after market pipes that are a hell of a lot quieter than the thumper stereos, weedeaters, and leaf blowers. I guess we need legislation for those too?
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Shag - 12/16/2008 11:22 AM

I guess we need legislation for those too?
. . . and push-to-talk phones.
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Goosedog - 12/16/2008 8:38 AM

Shag - 12/16/2008 11:22 AM

I guess we need legislation for those too?
. . . and push-to-talk phones.
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Shag - 12/16/2008 11:41 AM
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Shag - 12/16/2008 11:22 AMI guess we need legislation for those too?
. . . and push-to-talk phones.

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I find most motorcycles riders to be a very inconsiderate bunch. With their rude driving and excessively loud exhaust systems. I for one, completely agree with this new law. I will pull out in front of one just to avoid have to listen to their loud pipes.
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