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Old 12-11-2008, 08:26 AM
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I am contemplating doing a kitchen back splash as my winter project and would like to get input as to whether it's a must to use a backer board or if it's ok to install directly over painted drywall? Going with a tumbled stone, 4x4 size and there is a granite back splash already on top of the counter (3" I believe) which will stay in place too. I've viewed a lot of video's on youtube and it seems like everyone just does it over drywall.

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Old 12-11-2008, 08:29 AM
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Over drywall is fine
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:05 AM
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Water based adhesive over dry wall, tile, grout, clean up, enjoy
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:14 AM
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What they said Joe.
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Mist-Rest - 12/11/2008 12:14 PM

What they said Joe.
Rob you going to bail me out when I run into trouble?
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Just did the same thing you're doing. Right over the drywall. I also have a 3 or 4 inch granite backsplash and used tumbled slate 2x2. The only problem I had was cutting the little tiles without a tile saw. The slate can come apart sometimes when trying to cut it using nippers. Dremel helped. Also grouting the backsplash is much messier than grouting a floor tile job. Put something down on your granite countertops to catch all the excess grout that will fall as you float it on, otherwise you'll have a big mess of drying grout on your granite. Put some pix up when done.
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I go right over the drywall. Here are a couple examples: http://www.morrisonconstruction.net/Kitchens.php
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Weakfish - please post your pics too. Not sure when I'll get to mine but hopefully sometime in late January.

Just1more - nice pics!!!
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Anything other than drywall is a waste of money.
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:35 PM
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What they said Joe.
Rob you going to bail me out when I run into trouble?

Hell, I'll even help you get into it.

I can bring my wet saw home from Maine if you want to use it. It's just sitting up there doing nothing but being a dust magnet. It's not a super pro model but Linda and I used it for our entry a few years ago, 2 friends have used it after and nobody's swearing at me yet. It's got plenty of diamond left on the blade. I have floats also. I'm in no rush for their return
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Old 12-11-2008, 07:06 PM
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Definately use a wet saw or a grinder. On a backsplash with 4 inch tiles you will need to make L shaped cuts around plugs/switches. You can get fancy and do them on a diagonal or ad a listello to really dress it up. Plugs/switches will also need to be brought out with washers to be flush with the new wall and possible changed from white to almond if it is a natural color stone. How's your wiring behind there? Nowthe time to fix any issues or add under cab lights. also. I would also get agood sealer and seal before and after grout. I would lose the granite backsplash if the tile would cover the gap from the wall to the granite.
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Old 12-11-2008, 07:16 PM
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Drywall on backsplash is all you need. 1/8-1/4 notch trowel range. Mastic adhesive, sanded grout. Stone sealer when finished.
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Well I am going to go against the "grain" here , if you are going to go with a tumbled stone it is most likley some type of limestone which is porous , so my thought would to be waterproof the sheetrock first with this product [ Bonsal B- 6000 ] it is a waterbased product cleans up good , but use two heavy coats and give them time to dry.
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All good info above Ill just add to be carefull how much glue you let ooze up through the tiles. Anything that comes through needs to be cleaned out so the grout has a place to go. You will need some kinda of edge tiles for the sides where the edges of the field tiles will show. I like to use a matching caulk where the wall tiles contact the counter top rather than grout. The other thing I always do is in key areas like behind the sink and the stove I like to cut a 4x4 square and insert a fancy tile. I dont put washer under the outlets but take advantage of the tabs on the outlet to hold onto the tightly cut tiles. If your outlets arent GFI now is the time to switch em out. Behind the stove you dont realy need to go all the way to the floor as no one will no, but I go all the way to the floor anyway.
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Go to the plumbing store to fix your electrical.

Once you've installed your back splash and if you find your switches/ electrical outlet's outer tabs don't rest on the tile's edge and your switch/ outlet is sloppy loose. Switches aren’t so much of a problem because the cover pretty much holds them in place, but your outlets are a problem because you plug things into them and pull them out. Instead of using washers as spacers use a small pieces of plastic hose/ tubing. The type of tubing I'm talking about........open your toilet tank cover and you'll see a small 1/4" generally a white tubing......well that stuff works miracles! When installed as a spacer it compresses beautifully and will leave your outlet rock solid! Just cut two lengths, slide over your outlet mounting screws, tighten your screws so your tabs are flush with the new surface and install your outlet covers.
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If ears on receptacles are not broken off,that will do the trick.No need for washers,tubing,etc
If the tile you are using is tumbled marble,or some other porous material,you MUST pre-seal tile before grouting.Also,highly reccomended to seal after grouting!
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Well I am going to go against the "grain" here , if you are going to go with a tumbled stone it is most likley some type of limestone which is porous , so my thought would to be waterproof the sheetrock first with this product [ Bonsal B- 6000 ] it is a waterbased product cleans up good , but use two heavy coats and give them time to dry.
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Waste of money for a kitchen splash. Plain sheetrock is all you need. Commercial kitchens I would waterproof though because of the amount of constant water involved.
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Greg is 100% correct;drywall is fine;not like a shower or bathtub area.
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:08 PM
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I just did a small remodel on my kitchen. We put in granite tops, new appliances, sink, and tile backsplash. I moved some of the locations for the outlets and switches, and when reinstalling them, I used depth adjustable boxes. The worked very well. Simply screws to the face of the stud. There is an adjustment screw that lets you control the depth of the box. Once the boxes were installed, patched the drywall, installed tile, sealed tile, grouted tile, sealed grouted tile, and installed the outlets/switches. The pictures, which aren't very good quality, will give you an idea of what I am trying to say.


box flush to wall


box adjusted out

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Just saw this post, Joe. We're doing a tile backsplash at my brother-in-law's house this weekend. Not a big job, the pattern in the pictures above is far more complicated than what he has planned. You can handle it, no problem.
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