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Old 12-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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Has anyone used this service?

http://inventionhome.com/free-invent...ampaign=search

Their flat rate prices for a patent search and a preliminary patent filing is considerably $$$ less than estimates from a lawyer.

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Old 12-09-2008, 10:26 AM
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I am in the process of applying for a patent right now. I got a book by David Pressman entitled "Patent Pending in 24 Hours" from the library. I would recommend reading this first. You can do most of the initial work to apply for a provisional patent and it will only put you out a couple of hundred dollars. You get protection for a year during which you can market and try to sell your product. If you decide to go forward with a full patent app you can explore the alternatives for that during the provisional period.

I've briefly looked into these companies that "help" you get a patent. Most appear to be a rip off. I don't know anything about the one you mentioned. Frankly, when I started reading about these scam operations, I ruled all of them out.

There are actual patent attorneys that will give you a flat fee search.

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Old 12-09-2008, 10:50 AM
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No I haven't used them. But I am no stranger to the process.

Going through the process of patenting an idea is a costly one. Because of the costs I would be after absolutes, or the closest I could get to absolutes. With wording like “preliminary patent filing and patent search” I become apprehensive. My experience with companies that operate outside the normal channels in the patenting process tend to lure in their clients/ customers and then drop the bomb on them once they’ve got you by your short and curlies. Today what appears to be the cheapest route could tomorrow end up being the most expensive route to take. ??? “Flat rate”, I have to say that makes me nervous as well. How can someone give a flat rate for a service when items being researched could vary from thumb tacks to airplanes? An airplane could have thousands of patents associated to it and therefore every single one of them would have to be investigated before a patent application can be moved on. Whereas with a thumb tack there is very little research work to be done. As I’ve said, my one principal concern would be being caught by my short and curlies with no where to run because I’ve already invested heavily.
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OReely - 12/9/2008 1:26 PM

I am in the process of applying for a patent right now. I got a book by David Pressman entitled "Patent Pending in 24 Hours" from the library. I would recommend reading this first. You can do most of the initial work to apply for a provisional patent and it will only put you out a couple of hundred dollars. You get protection for a year during which you can market and try to sell your product. If you decide to go forward with a full patent app you can explore the alternatives for that during the provisional period.

I've briefly looked into these companies that "help" you get a patent. Most appear to be a rip off. I don't know anything about the one you mentioned. Frankly, when I started reading about these scam operations, I ruled all of them out.

There are actual patent attorneys that will give you a flat fee search.

Good luck!

Good advice. I have heard about his books.


Remember, in the REAL patenting world, you will get turned down harshly. Anyone who "really likes your idea and thinks it will make money" should be avoided. Rejection is the norm, so have thick skin and continue on with what you believe in!

Flat rate is pretty broad, as Garrett said. Every item is different, requiring different amounts of research.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:23 PM
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Thanks guys, you have confirmed what I was thinking. I'll get the book and do as much research as I can.

I have done the Google Patents search and didn't turn up anything to compare with my idea. I hate the idea of paying someone to do the same thing.
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Now don't hold me to this, although I do know that a provisional patent does give the patent pending holder the right to manufacture and distribute / sell the product, but if I'm not mistaken going through a patent pending in 24 hours process does not give clear title to all aspects of one's idea/ product. Only a fully in-depth search can do that, whether done in person at the Patent Office or by legal representation.

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Therefore if the inventor is not 100% certain 100% of ALL aspects of their invention is clear of other titles one is really blindly walking forward with buckets of money falling out of their pockets each and every step. No simple quick step book can replace the research time needed to do a proper search.
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A patent search is part of the process as outlined in the previously mentioned book.

Obviously, a complex product that requires extensive research would more than likely take much longer than 24 hrs. I believe the author used that title to show that, in some cases, it "could" be done in 24 hrs, not necessarily that "all" provisional patents could be done in such a short time span. Helps him sell books too.

As an example, my search turned up 13 items, thankfully none of which are exactly like mine in design or process. I used as many search parameters as I could think of (as outlined in the book) in order to rule out possible infringement. Going forward, I am fairly certain that there won't be a problem. If I go beyond the provisional stage I will most likely employ the services of a patent attorney.

The provisional patent doesn't guaranty a full patent, only the rigorous examination process will lead to that, but it does offer some protection of your idea (provided you eventually get a full patent).

My expertise is certainly not in patent law. I'm just going off what I've learned in the past several months. I've consulted my personal attorney (he's not a patent attorney) about this matter and he recommended this course for me. Yours may differ and I would advise a consultation
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Garett - 12/10/2008 7:09 AM

a provisional patent does give the patent pending holder the right to manufacture and distribute / sell the product

Sorry - this statement is extremely inaccurate . . .

A provisional patent application only gives you proof of a "date of invention" - there are no exclusory rights to enforce (i.e., you cannot use a provisional patent application to stop someone from practicing the invention) and there most certainly is no right to manufacture/distribute/sell the invention afforded by any patent application . . .

Then again, what do I know - I'm just a patent attorney . . .
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Garett - 12/10/2008 7:09 AM

a provisional patent does give the patent pending holder the right to manufacture and distribute / sell the product

Sorry - this statement is extremely inaccurate . . .

A provisional patent application only gives you proof of a "date of invention" - there are no exclusory rights to enforce (i.e., you cannot use a provisional patent application to stop someone from practicing the invention) and there most certainly is no right to manufacture/distribute/sell the invention afforded by any patent application . . .

Then again, what do I know - I'm just a patent attorney . . .
Thank you for the correction Sir.
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Interesting thread. Have any of the THT'ers here taken an idea all the way to market through the patent process? It would be interesting to hear your story and see your product.
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