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Old 12-08-2008, 07:23 AM
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Could Santa Claus et al, be the reason why, in later years, people believe it is ok to lie? That one can do something illegal and later deny what they have done with a straight face? Let me pose some questions and facts for you to ponder;

What I want to propose is that this mythical figure known as Santa Claus is a contributor to all the corruption that is present in our modern day society.

First, the man is a lie, really now, when one thinks about it, adults look kids in the eye and tell them an out and out lie, and many believe this to be ok, so what is established with a small child is that it is ok to lie to young kids because adults do it all the time. Does this manifest itself in adulthood, in politics?, in everyday life? And there is an Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy too, right? Could these “little white lies” be ok because they are harmless to kids? That the man comes down the chimney, what chimney?, the thing attached to a house that better than 70% probably don’t have?, and when a kid asks how Santa comes in when there is no chimney, another lie must be told and we have lie after lie. Evidence is even fabricated in adults leaving milk and cookies, what a setup! That the man has reindeer that can fly? Like the stork delivers babies, Ah, bah humbug!

So well intentioned parents line up so they can get their kids pictures taken with this strange man at the mall, who oddly enough, really looks forward to when he can get dressed up after waiting all year, and have all manner of kid sit on his lap and get paid (and despite background checks, who knows what he is really thinking: see Crisis in the Church) and the parents pay good money for more proof for their kid when he/she gets older, so they can show that their parents did, in fact, lie to them, AND paid for the evidence. It cannot help but to teach kids that later in life, it is ok to lie. Might I be bitter because my parents never paid for me to sit on this complete stranger’s lap and get my picture taken? How kids are set up to ask for things they will never get? I, don’t, think, so.

Anyhow, for all the graduate psychology students out there, it would be great research to interview/survey all those public officials who get convicted of money crimes, and see how many of them were made to believe in the invention of Santa Claus as well as all the other stories children are made to believe in and see how it correlates with white collar criminals. Ho, ho ho.
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"What I want to propose is that this mythical figure known as Santa Claus is a contributor to all the corruption that is present in our modern day society. "

What I want to propose is that this thread is borderline retarded.
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RI Builder - 12/8/2008 10:37 AM

"What I want to propose is that this mythical figure known as Santa Claus is a contributor to all the corruption that is present in our modern day society. "

What I want to propose is that this thread is borderline retarded.
you took the word's right out of my mouth
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It's not Santa Claus that is the problem.

It is your premise of excusing the lying and cheating behavior of some adults because they were lied to about Santa Claus. By that metric, Dahmer is excused; Stalin is excused, and on, and on, and on.



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borderline is a understatement sounds like he's the santa no one will hire
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you mean santa's not real? That lying fat b@sturd at the mall said he was going to bring me a fishing pole. I'm pissed
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trrooster - 12/8/2008 7:29 AM

you mean santa's not real? That lying fat b@sturd at the mall said he was going to bring me a fishing pole. I'm pissed
Its okay, you are now justified in going on a rampage and lying to cheat people out of their life savings. Yer gonna be rich, and its all Santa's fault.


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Try using a more positive outlook on society as a whole and you will see there are lots of honest, upstanding families and individuals that also may or may not have believed in Santa. I suggest a more well formed hypothesys to investigate.
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I do suppose that on the other hand, to lie to a kid for a few years, then to tell either him/her the truth later, or have the kid find out from their friends or an older brother or sister that the fraud that Santa is, is to teach them that there are disappointments in life and that not everything is as it seems is a good lesson early on in life, ok, I can see that as well.

That false hope is, in some cases, better than no hope at all.
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I do suppose that on the other hand, to lie to a kid for a few years, then to tell either him/her the truth later, or have the kid find out from their friends or an older brother or sister that the fraud that Santa is, is to teach them that there are disappointments in life and that not everything is as it seems is a good lesson early on in life, ok, I can see that as well.

That false hope is, in some cases, better than no hope at all.
In your example, the hope is not false. The kid believes that Santa will bring her something, and it happens. Later in life, the kid wants to believe in the spirit that the Santa myth represents, and that spirit is a truth. That's why you have yet to hear the defense "Santa made me do it"; even from Schizophrenics, MPD's & Sociopaths.

Santa rulz.


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Didn't you ever see 'Miracle on 34th Street' ?
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Me thinks you're an idiot with too much time on your hands. What's the matter with a little "magic" in a kids life before the realities of the world wisk away their innocence??
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Santa Clause is an asshole.
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Sounds like someone actually got coal in their stocking. Bummer dood, you still have 17 days to deal with this.
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Thought this would have been bilged a while ago.
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The only difference between Santa Claus and God is that someone told you at one point that Santa Claus doesn't exist.


Now it'll be bilged!
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Santa Clause is an asshole.
When did you shave your beard?


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While your santa claus hypothesis isn't really convincing, there are other planned influences on children's world views that I don't think are beneficial. For example, Grimm's fairy tales introduce them to a whole host of vices at an early age. While you could argue that it makes them understand them to be able recognize them when they are later perpetrated on them, I can't help but think we would be better of if they weren't methodically introduced to them in children's literature at a young age.
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Maybe you should read a few of my books. They may be of help........

"Uncle Larry loves me too much"

"Daddy drinks because you cry"

"Mommy and Daddy really wanted a boy"

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