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I think the US, which is also a "whaling country", still takes more whales per capita annually than Japan does.

Other whaling countries: Russia, Norway, a couple of small countries in the Caribbean ... I think there is about 20 countries on the list. I thought Iceland quit taking whales last year because of international pubic pressure.
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Eyeball - 12/5/2008 4:19 PMI think the US, which is also a "whaling country", still takes more whales per capita annually than Japan does.
Not even close..........USA 305M pop. took 63 whales in 2007(all by Eskimos)....Japan 127M pop. took something on the order of at least 1350 whales (maybe more hard to get a real answer).

1 whale per 9,700,000 people for the USA versus 1 whale per 94,000 for Japan(103 times greater).
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Eyeball - 12/5/2008 4:19 PMI think the US, which is also a "whaling country", still takes more whales per capita annually than Japan does.
Not even close..........USA 305M pop. took 63 whales in 2007(all by Eskimos)....Japan 127M pop. took something on the order of at least 1350 whales (maybe more hard to get a real answer).

1 whale per 9,700,000 people for the USA versus 1 whale per 94,000 for Japan(103 times greater).

No. There's something like only 170k people in the US allowed to take/eat whale. The rest of the population is prohibited from taking whales or receiving it from those that are allowed to take it. And it isn't the Eskimos, I believe it is the Inupiat Indians (same thing, but different. ) So, in the US, something like 1 whale for every 3 or 4 thousand people. To be on par with Japan the Inupiats would have to be limited to only 1 or 2 whales per year. As it stands, they take between 25 and 50 times more whales per person than Japan.

I think this year Japan took something a like 1100 or 1130 whales to be shared by 127 million people.



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Eyeball - 12/5/2008 4:19 PMI think the US, which is also a "whaling country", still takes more whales per capita annually than Japan does.
Not even close..........USA 305M pop. took 63 whales in 2007(all by Eskimos)....Japan 127M pop. took something on the order of at least 1350 whales (maybe more hard to get a real answer).

1 whale per 9,700,000 people for the USA versus 1 whale per 94,000 for Japan(103 times greater).

No. There's something like only 170k people in the US allowed to take/eat whale. The rest of the population is prohibited from taking whales or receiving it from those that are allowed to take it. And it isn't the Eskimos, I believe it is the Inupiat Indians (same thing, but different. ) So, in the US, something like 1 whale for every 3 or 4 thousand people. To be on par with Japan the Inupiats would have to be limited to only 1 or 2 whales per year. As it stands, they take between 25 and 50 times more whales per person than Japan.

I think this year Japan took something a like 1100 or 1130 whales to be shared by 127 million people.



Eyeball is correct. There are special privileges for Native Alaskans that do not exist for the remainder of American Citizens. Never hear anything about that discrimination though, do you??


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I am very much aware of the special permitting.......Point is 63 dead whales in 2007 USA 305 M pop .....1300+ dead whales Japan 127 M pop.

It doesns't matter who kills them or who eats them.......those are the numbers for the take of those countries.

Using your kind of logic I could say the Inuits don't count and the USA takes ZERO whales.
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Eyeball is correct. There are special privileges for Native Alaskans that do not exist for the remainder of American Citizens. Never hear anything about that discrimination though, do you??


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uhhhh. It was THEIR country to begin with........
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Eyeball is correct. There are special privileges for Native Alaskans that do not exist for the remainder of American Citizens. Never hear anything about that discrimination though, do you??


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uhhhh. It was THEIR country to begin with........

uhhhh. It was not theirs, it belonged to their ancestors, who failed to keep it.


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Once again, numbers can be twisted to "prove" just about anything.

Is it per capita of the entirety of US citizens vs the entirety of Japanese citizens or is it per capita of a select group of US citizens vs the entirety of Japanese citizens? It all depends on what point your trying to make.
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I want to state that I am NOT for whaling

But does anyone else find it just a bit ironic that we as Americans permit the Eskimo tribes to hunt whales being its part of their ancestory heritage but everyone says Japan should not be allowed to do the same thing, yet they have a heritage of doing it for hundreds of years?? The one main difference may be that it is commercialize where the Eskimos dont, but I am not certain of that..
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I had a whale once. Nothing wrong with it really as long as you aren't seen in public.
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I want to state that I am NOT for whaling

But does anyone else find it just a bit ironic that we as Americans permit the Eskimo tribes to hunt whales being its part of their ancestory heritage but everyone says Japan should not be allowed to do the same thing ...

Japan and whales is not an issue. There are so much bullsh!t kicking around about it. It's almost like people are in a contest to see who can appear the biggest idiot.

Japanese whaling is entirely gov't run to ensure healthy whale stock will always be in the oceans. If Japanese businessmen were in charge of whaling, I'd say shut it down. It would be foolish to trust Japanese corporate businessmen.

Who has been doing what for how long impresses me as irrelevant. Either it is ok to take whales or it isn't. Now, due to stable herd levels it is possible to take whale without risk of the things becoming extinct, so whale on.

The only problem I have with whaling is that there is no way to gracefully kill something the size of a school bus that you pulled out of the ocean. I don't want to see it, but I'm not going to tell you you can't do it. As long as the whale herds are managed to ensure the species will survive, I only want to see the whale steak served on my dinner plate.

That said, I have a lot of problems with how Japan allows the Japanese fisherman to conduct the annual dolphin slaughters. And I think Japanese corporate businessmen and their gill net fishing boats are a threat to the oceans. The Japanese gov't is forever coming down on them but it is always after the fact, after the damage is done. It takes an estimated 20-years for the ocean to recover from a single gill net being deployed one time.
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20 years for the ocean to recover, Oh really.. What part of your tail you pulling that figure from...

My point above which obviously went way over your head was that it does not matter who or how whales are killed either its illegal or its not bottomline...
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I would have a whale burger or steak if I were in Japan.
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Cracker - 12/9/2008 10:32 AM

20 years for the ocean to recover, Oh really.. What part of your tail you pulling that figure from...
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego. They know as much, or more about the oceans as anyone.

It is the incidental kill of slow breeding pelagic sea critters in a gill net that takes about 20-years to replenish. All of the day-to-day fish, the targeted catch, sharks, tuna, whatever is not the issue. The slow breeding pelagic sea critters that die in a gill net are.

I was listening to a marine biologist from Scripts talking about how stupid the restrictions on recreational fishing are. Comparing commercial fishing to recreational fishing, he said, literally, everyone that recreation ocean fishes in the US could go out on the same day at the same time and for that one day catch/take as much of whatever fish they wanted to, no limits, fishing pole, spearfish, whatever however. And in 1-year the ocean would have recovered. But 1 gill net one time and it takes 20-years to recover.
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While I am not a scientist, I find it extremely hard to believe that they can quantify exactly how long it will take the ocean to recover from a gill net set... Sounds more like someone is guessing. I will agree with you on one account, incidental by catch is a problem. I have boarded a lot of shrimp boats when I was in resource enforcement and I can tell you they take in a lot of by catch to catch a few shrimp. Once again, I have no idea how you could quantify such loss and come up with accurate figure because it would depend on so many factors... Sounds more like a scientist looking for a grant to me and sporting more of a theory to me....
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Al Gore invented gill nets.
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20 years for the ocean to recover, Oh really.. What part of your tail you pulling that figure from...
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego. They know as much, or more about the oceans as anyone.

It is the incidental kill of slow breeding pelagic sea critters in a gill net that takes about 20-years to replenish. All of the day-to-day fish, the targeted catch, sharks, tuna, whatever is not the issue. The slow breeding pelagic sea critters that die in a gill net are.

I was listening to a marine biologist from Scripts talking about how stupid the restrictions on recreational fishing are. Comparing commercial fishing to recreational fishing, he said, literally, everyone that recreation ocean fishes in the US could go out on the same day at the same time and for that one day catch/take as much of whatever fish they wanted to, no limits, fishing pole, spearfish, whatever however. And in 1-year the ocean would have recovered. But 1 gill net one time and it takes 20-years to recover.

Can you cite a reference, Professor Eyeball, Esq.?

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I haven't gone whaling since college.

I still have nightmares. LMAO
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BuckTales - 12/9/2008 8:48 AM

I haven't gone whaling since college.

I still have nightmares. LMAO
Like I said earlier.....as long as you aren't seen in public....its okay
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