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Old 12-03-2008, 10:12 AM
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I'm in the plannig stages of remodeling a kitchen that presently does not have a dishwasher. The configuration of the kitchen and door openings are not makeing it easy to add one.

My question is, Suppose you are standing at an inside corner of the kitchen, (kind of like where a lazy susan corner cabinet would be) can I have the sink on one side of the corner and dishwasher on the other? The hot water feed to the washer would be easy to do via the cellar underneath, but can I have the drain from the washer travel that far to the sink? Would the dishwasher be able to push the water to the sink?

Any other thoughts or ideas? ;? I don't really want to get into major plumbing issues.
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SurferGirl - 3/7/2006 3:25 PM

You should not use automatic dishwashers, nor any of the detergents formulated therefor__use of both or either will cause etching and spots on your drinking vessels, dishes, flatware, cookware, everything__besides, those machines can fracture fragile items.
If you already have an automatic dishwasher, it makes a handy place to store sponges, Swiffer pads, and such__
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You should wash your dishes in a sink__use only other-than-citrus-type detergents made for hand-dishwashing. Then dry the items promptly with a kitchen-towel so there will not be any spots on them.
Refer to the care instructions for your dishes, flatware, and cookware__Most of them will indicate the undesirable effects of automatic dishwashing and automatic dishwasher detergents, and advise against the use of any citrus-type detergents.
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Joenic - 12/3/2008 1:12 PM

I'm in the plannig stages of remodeling a kitchen that presently does not have a dishwasher. The configuration of the kitchen and door openings are not makeing it easy to add one.

My question is, Suppose you are standing at an inside corner of the kitchen, (kind of like where a lazy susan corner cabinet would be) can I have the sink on one side of the corner and dishwasher on the other? The hot water feed to the washer would be easy to do via the cellar underneath, but can I have the drain from the washer travel that far to the sink? Would the dishwasher be able to push the water to the sink?

Any other thoughts or ideas? ;? I don't really want to get into major plumbing issues.
I installed a dishwasher in our kitchen a few years ago and located it a ways from the sink drain. I had to add an extra hose to get to under the sink. It empties no problem. There seems to be quite a bit of pressure pushing the water.
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Yes, from a building perspective you can do it.

Doing what you describe, while possible from a building standpoint, is a nightmare from a functional standpoint. If you doubt me, build a cardboard mock up and try to functionally use it. From what you wrote, you best bet would be to put the sink in the corner on the 45 and then have the dishwasher on either side.

Post a sketch or some pics, then we could better help you with layout and ideas.
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RI Builder - 12/3/2008 1:50 PM

Yes, from a building perspective you can do it.

Doing what you describe, while possible from a building standpoint, is a nightmare from a functional standpoint. If you doubt me, build a cardboard mock up and try to functionally use it. From what you wrote, you best bet would be to put the sink in the corner on the 45 and then have the dishwasher on either side.

Post a sketch or some pics, then we could better help you with layout and ideas.
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KJS - 12/3/2008 1:54 PM

RI Builder - 12/3/2008 1:50 PM

Yes, from a building perspective you can do it.

Doing what you describe, while possible from a building standpoint, is a nightmare from a functional standpoint. If you doubt me, build a cardboard mock up and try to functionally use it. From what you wrote, you best bet would be to put the sink in the corner on the 45 and then have the dishwasher on either side.

Post a sketch or some pics, then we could better help you with layout and ideas.
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RI Builder - 12/3/2008 2:04 PM

KJS - 12/3/2008 1:54 PM

RI Builder - 12/3/2008 1:50 PM

Yes, from a building perspective you can do it.

Doing what you describe, while possible from a building standpoint, is a nightmare from a functional standpoint. If you doubt me, build a cardboard mock up and try to functionally use it. From what you wrote, you best bet would be to put the sink in the corner on the 45 and then have the dishwasher on either side.

Post a sketch or some pics, then we could better help you with layout and ideas.
Hay RIB, you've ran aground!
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I thought maybe you were partying with the natives.
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RI Builder - 12/3/2008 10:04 AM

KJS - 12/3/2008 1:54 PM

RI Builder - 12/3/2008 1:50 PM

Yes, from a building perspective you can do it.

Doing what you describe, while possible from a building standpoint, is a nightmare from a functional standpoint. If you doubt me, build a cardboard mock up and try to functionally use it. From what you wrote, you best bet would be to put the sink in the corner on the 45 and then have the dishwasher on either side.

Post a sketch or some pics, then we could better help you with layout and ideas.
Hay RIB, you've ran aground!
CHIT!! Those little specs are islands; I thought they were boats I was gaining on.
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RI, I understand your point on the functionality as the door would be close to you or get in the way when you open it while standing at the sink to load the washer. But if I could place both the sink and washer further from the corner that would help alleviate that problem, I think.

Thought about a corner sink but thought I would lose too much room and space.

I just read some specs on washers and they said they could be up to 12 feet away from the sink. If thats the case, I may be able to get away with my idea.
Trying to post some specs, but don't know how to go about it.
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Joe:

As a general rule, you want 21" minimum space from the counter to the side of the open dishwasher door on a corner installation.

Also, as a general rule, the max distance is recommended at 10'

Save your pics to photobucket and then link them from there.
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The pump on the dishwasher should have the presure to push the water to the drain but do not go down thorugh the floor and then back up to the sink drain. Go strait accross to the sink drain, it is a much shorter route. Also plan on putting a small filler "style" (1 or 2 inches) between the dishwasher and the inside corner itself. This will give the dishwasher door clearance to open past the hardware (Handles & knobs) on the cabinet on the other side of the corner.
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I would say the 21 inch rule is very do able. I will try to take some pics or draw a diagram tonight.
Thanks much.
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Considered a drawer-type dishwasher? I've got one of the two-drawer type and the open drawer doesn't protrude into the room as much as a standard door-type. FWIW.....

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PostOpus - 12/3/2008 11:57 AM

Considered a drawer-type dishwasher? I've got one of the two-drawer type and the open drawer doesn't protrude into the room as much as a standard door-type. FWIW.....
Never heard of such a thing, I'll look into it. Thanks.
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My budy has the drawer type like described and it looks and works great. You really do not want to have your dishwasher to far from your sink. The one thing I do remember about those drawer types is that his was very expensive.
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fishingfun - 12/3/2008 3:48 PM

The one thing I do remember about those drawer types is that his was very expensive.
The double-drawer models are fairly pricy, but that's because they have two totally separate sets of machinery - - pumps, timers, etc. Single drawer units are more reasonably priced, and can be mounted above a regular storage drawer if you want. Less bending down to load and unload, and less chance of banging your shins on the open door/drawer.

Sears has several (and they're all made by Maytag/Whirlpool); see http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10...wer+dishwasher
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you dont have to drain thru the sink if you have a basement access just do seperate drain like your washing machine . just a trap and stand pipe branched off your drain. only problem with dishwasher in corner is door opening clearance. will it hit handles of other cabinets?
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If you run drain through floor, you will need to loop the drain hose higher than dw pump to prevent siphioning. Atleast 1/2 way up dw should work. Check install instructions. Run from draw style dw. Front boots leak and short out boards. Every manf. has rework kits.
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