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Old 11-30-2008, 11:14 AM
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How did your employer handle the announcement? In a group setting? One on one? How many ppl were effected out of how many working at that location? Other than the obvious, how did you feel about the manner in which the layoff was announced to those laid off? Thx...

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Hmmm, you must have something you your sleeve. : )

I know that if I was going to get laid off, the most important thing I want to hear about a nano-second after I was told, would be....what is my severence package (pay and benefits)?
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I have clients that have done mass terminations via email or meetings.......small groups are often handled individually. Terminated employees often want the privacy to respond to the news. While that may good for the employee, it isn't good for the employer if the employee is angry or emotionally weak. I agree with the other poster that suggested term'ed employees will want to know what the package looks like at the point of getting the boot. My exerience with terminations, with or without cause.......don't waste a lot of time trying to rationalize your decision....the person sitting on the other side of the table is rarely listening to you after you deliver the news.
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Tireless - 11/30/2008 11:50 AM

..don't waste a lot of time trying to rationalize your decision....the person sitting on the other side of the table is rarely listening to you after you deliver the news.
Agreed. Lay it out simply and truthfully, and that's it. This not a lack of caring or empathy; in fact, it is the opposite. Their job is gone, all of your words won't change that.


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Mark, It's never happened to me but...

I'd like it one on one with the owner/higher up on the ladder than the foreman. I'd like to know that it was sincere. I'd like to know that my severance was well thought out based on my years of loyal service and what I brought to the table. I'd like to know that I'm welcome back. I'd like to have seen that the shop floor has been getting slow and this day was coming. I'd like to know the owners are hurting in some way also, not just cutting back personal to save their own skin w/o adjustment in there life styles.

Most important is that others with less drive/talent/take more days off/sloppy work/ late for work/ ect are staying on the job because they make less or don't have the vested time in retirement programs.

I know for fact that manufacturing in this neck of the woods is tough and has been for a few years now. I'm very glad I got out of machining over 20 years ago. Still have shop owner friends as well as friends in the trades and know that it has not been easy for either side.

Lastly, Good luck.

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I was on my way to a jobsite. Got a phone call to head in to the office, as did everyone else in the company.
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My company announdced it in a all-employee meeting that there were going to be cuts along with a presentationas to why (graphs, slowdown, etc). it was announced that there would be restucturing and layoffs.

It was then handled individually by the section manager with his people one-on-one. it was done within one week so there was no long term waiting, while production came to a halt. Emplyees with long term seniority were given excellent early retirement pacakges (like me).
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I was with them 11 years, got all of the hard stuff ( I was proud of that ) high end custom 2-5 mil & up. Called me Oct. 30 said the 31st it was over, went home told the wife AND my kids 13 & 17.
They called me the 31st said we have to finish this job / I said OK, Nov 7th still no pay the whole company shuts down ( Owner spent the $$ for the jobs ). So I'm out 3wks pay + some other $$. Everyone else went on unemployment , I'm scrambling working cash / 1099.
The way I feel about it is talk to me one on one I'm a big boy, but don't play games and if the people you tell stand up and shake your hand those are the first ones you will want back/ the other ones you did not need anyway.
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In a small company it needs to be done in person, preferably by the owner

When things pick up & you are looking to rehire, you will be judged by how well you handled this situation. Not only by those affected, but others who will certainly hear the story

Curious - are you offering any severance ?

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Lots of good thoughts above. I went through a plant closing about 5 years ago. This was a large company that was able to offer many things (including a job on the other side of the country). I declined that offer but would work for that company again in a heart beat if it were local in part because of the way the layoffs were handled. The company had a sincear concern for the affected employees. That you would post this question suggests that you do to. The most important thing to do is treat the employees with respect. Also, keep in mind that the way you handle this WILL have an affect on those employees left behind. Make it a good one.
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I came into the office and my boss asked to meet with me in a half hour. I went about doing some paperwork. He called me in to the office manager's office. He said he had some bad news and that I would have to be let go. He went on for about 10 min talking about how great my work was, how he valued my sincerity and work ethic, how hard I've worked, my accomplishments etc.... I ended up cutting him off and asking him about severance.

Bottom line was that this is our off season, sales in my area are in the toilet, I make 15k more than the other guys and they don't feel like paying me my yearly bonus. It was a business decision made by the CEO himself.



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I work in IT, we are used to cuts since we are usually the first to go.. You know, someone in India can do my job for $3.00 an hour, granted they can't do it well, or do it right, but they are a body.

Where I work, they usually lead up to layoff's with big meetings and blow lots of sunshine up our rear end and then within a week the cuts start. This last batch they waited for one guy to come back from vacation, let him come into work and actually get in the swing of things and start doing his job and then by 10:30 told him he was terminated and had to go home. Of course he wasn't even permitted time to clean up his belongings he was treated like a criminal, escorted off the property by the guards and a co-worker had to clean up his belongings and give them to him after work, off site.

I work for a real nice company!

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CMP: If you are in a situation that you must law people off, please be truthful. I work at a law firm and just after xmas last year we had a firm meeting where the senior partner annouced proudly "No one will be laid off, we just have to be careful on spending", 2 weeks later, people were laid off. Luckily, I was not one of them.

My gf recently had a company meeting, again the CEO said "No one will lose there jobs", short time later, her and about 7 other employees were laid off.

Just keep the employees informed. My opinion is, the layoff should be handled behind closed doors and severance package is a must if it can afforded by the company. Please treat people with respect and as Stinger said, not as criminals. Most of the time, layoffs are due to the economy and not due to performance. Don't make the employee any worse than they already do. Let them clean out there desk and give them time to collect themselves.

Good Luck.
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I feel your pain CMP, Tomorrow morning I will let a couple of our contractors go in Russia and Turkey and feel bad about it. I will send them a formal letter that their contracts are not being renewed. It really has nothing to do with their performance but we are walking away from those two countries.
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Pizza in the conference room, "...today is everyone's last day - the company is closing".

Ten years gone pfffffft just like that! It hurts then you move on.
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StingerII - 11/30/2008 9:34 PM I work in IT, we are used to cuts since we are usually the first to go.. You know, someone in India can do my job for $3.00 an hour, granted they can't do it well, or do it right, but they are a body. Where I work, they usually lead up to layoff's with big meetings and blow lots of sunshine up our rear end and then within a week the cuts start. This last batch they waited for one guy to come back from vacation, let him come into work and actually get in the swing of things and start doing his job and then by 10:30 told him he was terminated and had to go home. Of course he wasn't even permitted time to clean up his belongings he was treated like a criminal, escorted off the property by the guards and a co-worker had to clean up his belongings and give them to him after work, off site. I work for a real nice company!
It's generally not a good idea to keep disgruntled IT folks around very long.
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StingerII - 11/30/2008 9:34 PM I work in IT, we are used to cuts since we are usually the first to go.. You know, someone in India can do my job for $3.00 an hour, granted they can't do it well, or do it right, but they are a body. Where I work, they usually lead up to layoff's with big meetings and blow lots of sunshine up our rear end and then within a week the cuts start. This last batch they waited for one guy to come back from vacation, let him come into work and actually get in the swing of things and start doing his job and then by 10:30 told him he was terminated and had to go home. Of course he wasn't even permitted time to clean up his belongings he was treated like a criminal, escorted off the property by the guards and a co-worker had to clean up his belongings and give them to him after work, off site. I work for a real nice company!
It's generally not a good idea to keep disgruntled IT folks around very long.

It's generally retarded to treat human beings like criminals. The steps are in place to deactivate a persons LAN account and can be done in minutes. There is NO reason to treat IT people as a threat, most of us are adults.

I hope your response was aimed at the process of laying off a person and not aimed at me. I am hardly disgruntled, the fact that I just won an ITIL Service Excellence Award shows that my work ethic is strong. I just also have an idea in my head of how humans should be treated.
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I hate this shit, but when you receive news that most of your major customers are forecasting a down year (in some cases a major-league down year), you have to make that move. The good news is that it's not a major melt-down like the tech-wreck was when I laid off 65 ppl over 12 months. Bottom line, there'll be 12 ppl without jobs today and it sucks. Interesting comments on how things were handled. I had planned to handle things individually and I will do that with the tenured ppl only, allowing my team leaders to do the others. They will be offerred more severance than the short-timers and will have their health bene's carried for a time. IMO, the key thing I'm trying to communicate to ppl is that this is not personal (although in a few cases, they are troublesome folks, but there's no need to rub it in) and that we are cutting positions/payroll across the board. It's a subtle point and will be lost on most, but some will get it. Sucks anyway. Thanks again...

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CMP - 12/1/2008 9:12 AM

I hate this shit, but when you receive news that most of your major customers are forecasting a down year (in some cases a major-league down year), you have to make that move. The good news is that it's not a major melt-down like the tech-wreck was when I laid off 65 ppl over 12 months. Bottom line, there'll be 12 ppl without jobs today and it sucks. Interesting comments on how things were handled. I had planned to handle things individually and I will do that with the tenured ppl only, allowing my team leaders to do the others. They will be offerred more severance than the short-timers and will have their health bene's carried for a time. IMO, the key thing I'm trying to communicate to ppl is that this is not personal (although in a few cases, they are troublesome folks, but there's no need to rub it in) and that we are cutting positions/payroll across the board. It's a subtle point and will be lost on most, but some will get it. Sucks anyway. Thanks again...

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