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Old 11-29-2008, 11:22 AM
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My 03 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 has aluminum wheels on it. Well I'm telling you, there wouldn't be a hope in hell of Ever changing a flat tire on the side of the road, even with ten men and a monkey. Man those son's-a-bitches were like welded on! If you guys haven't pulled your wheels in a while you might want to check things out.

I didn't have a flat, I am doing the brakes. I'm using a 12 lb. sledge hammer, a 4x4 block of hard wood and a second person. I bet you I pounded each wheel a good 75 times before each wheel broke loose. As I said there wouldn't be a hope in hell of ever changing a tire on the side of the road.
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Guess that would apply to a 2001 Grand Cherokee too. When did you have your tires rotated last? Makes you wonder what the guys in the shop have to do.[img]../images/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
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Geez, I thought it was in PIA doing my brakes, just getting your wheels off is a bitch! Now that you took the wheels off, it will be easier to get them off next time if you get a flat right?
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That's insane.

My '98 RAM 1500 had a similar issue, but not nearly as bad as what your describing Garrett. I could get mine to break loose by sitting on the ground and giving the tire a hard kick or two.

I just rotated the tires on my Titan and they came right off.

Before you put the wheels back on, maybe put some anti-seize on the rims where they contact the hubs.
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YOU MUST GREASE THE STUDS TO PREVENT THIS. It's much more common than you think.
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My Lincoln LS lugs were a biotch too. I rounded a couple off the first time. I definietly had to use a 6 point socket. The 12 would just ruin the lugs. Like Mist Rest says, put grease on the studs when you put them back on and the next time it won't be soo bad.
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Lugs have nothing to do with it. You can grease the studs to your hearts content, it ain't the lugs! You can have all lugs in your hand with the truck in the air, and the wheel won't come off.

Yep!

I have an '04 1500 with the aluminum wheels. Get the tires rotated every 10k, first couple times I didn't notice anything. Somewhere around the 3rd or 4th time, while sitting in the waiting room at the tire shop, I heard considerable beatin and bangin. Got up to see who's wheels was gettin the snot beat out of'em. It was mine! The wheel was actually seizing on the wheel hub. You can spray Let-Go whatever and it still happens. I would also hate to be on the side of the road changing a flat, with trouble like that.

Second note about changing a flat on the truck. Carry a high lift jack! One and only flat I had on the truck when I was with out a plug kit. Jacked up the truck removed flat with no trouble. Time came to put spare on, the jack supplied with the truck would not lift the truck high enough, to get the fully inflated spare on.
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Garrett you have a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 is Scotland?!?!?!?! How does it fit on the roads?!?!?! How do you feed it?!?!?!
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Guess that would apply to a 2001 Grand Cherokee too. When did you have your tires rotated last? Makes you wonder what the guys in the shop have to do.[img]../images/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
I'm going to say sometime last year. Probably 15 / 16 months ago. I remember doing the job, the wheels were stubborn, but nothing like this.

I know I was really concerned about snapping the outer edge of the rim the way I was beating on them.
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Turn up the ol impact air wrench to about 200 - it'll break

Mine must be a different Aluminum alloy - never had a problem...

This brings to mind my new jack plate for my boat motor - aluminum slides - I suppose I ought to move that thing a couple times a year just to keep it loose....and lube the snot out of it.....

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Rob as Dave said, it's not the lug nuts that's the problem........I've always used anti-seize on my lugs. It's the aluminum corroding to the steel......dang that's one hell-of-a bond!

I know I spent hours chiseling off the corrosion from the hub and filing the problem contact points of the wheels to steel. I had talked with several tire shops today. I asked what can I do to prevent this in the future? They said grease and anti-seize seems to make matter worse. ? I wonder what a gasket or a sheet of 10 ml plastic would do?
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CaptKennyW - 11/29/2008 6:57 AM

Garrett you have a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 is Scotland?!?!?!?! How does it fit on the roads?!?!?! How do you feed it?!?!?!
Oh I have lots of room..................I just don't know about the other guys.
Any vehicle I've ever own, I feed it with lots of love and it always treats me well.
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Dodge is not alone on this one....

Alloy rims have a tendency to oxidize badly around the hub area from constant abrasion and if they are hub centric that means they become nearly impossible to get off. My Mother's Husbands 07 Tundra has the same issue, of course being the superior Japanese vehicle that it is, he was treated so professionally at the Toyota garage, when they pounded the rims off with a sledge hammer and put nicks all through the bead area of the rim (and did not replace the rims).

Both my Mother and her Husband also had to buy all new TPMS sensors when Toyota chose to use Aluminum valve stem caps and the same thing happened.


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Right I almost forgot about those, I got nicked with the problem of removing my aluminum valve stem caps as well. They Definitely are a No-No! I recall having to use two pair of Channel-Lock pliers to remove mine. One pair to hold the valve stem and the other to Rip away at the cap. The removal of the cap process boarders on ripping the valve stem apart.
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Garett - 11/29/2008 7:57 PM

Rob as Dave said, it's not the lug nuts that's the problem........I've always used anti-seize on my lugs. It's the aluminum corroding to the steel......dang that's one hell-of-a bond!

I know I spent hours chiseling off the corrosion from the hub and filing the problem contact points of the wheels to steel. I had talked with several tire shops today. I asked what can I do to prevent this in the future? They said grease and anti-seize seems to make matter worse. ? I wonder what a gasket or a sheet of 10 ml plastic would do?
Yikes! Yes, I read the thread wrong - hard to believe. I htink the plastic may be a great idea - at least a start - I wouldn't go much thicker - and I would check into how well it works at those temperatures...I did have this happen with plain old steel to steel trying to get the disc/hub of an old Cutlass with 16 years and 100,000 miles -

TRY THIS - put penetrating oil on, put it back together with the lugs nut about 1/8 inch too loose and drive around a little (some real sharp hard turns) then try to wacked it off. This way you can put a good ton of force on the seam. This method has worked for me. Most effective for front wheels but will work on the rears too.



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Garett - 11/29/2008 7:57 PM

Rob as Dave said, it's not the lug nuts that's the problem........I've always used anti-seize on my lugs. It's the aluminum corroding to the steel......dang that's one hell-of-a bond!

I know I spent hours chiseling off the corrosion from the hub and filing the problem contact points of the wheels to steel. I had talked with several tire shops today. I asked what can I do to prevent this in the future? They said grease and anti-seize seems to make matter worse. ? I wonder what a gasket or a sheet of 10 ml plastic would do?
Sounds like galvanic corrosion causing it. My guess is any kinda of salt would compound the problem.
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Hit the tire/rim from the "inside" to lift it away from the the mount. This might reduce the effort needed to break it loose.

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If you're going to use a plastic sheet, consider 2 mil instead of 10mil. As the 10 mil compresses, it'll cause the lug nuts to loosen. I've always used regular wheel bearing grease between the wheel and the hub. You don't need a lot and it lasts a long time.
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The 6 trucks I've owned starting in 1998, all had alloy wheels. Never had a stuck wheel. Year round New England driving with salt, magnesium and calcium chloride. Same crap that is used on your roads.

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GM, Ford, Land Rover, Nissan, and a Mazda haven't done it to me yet. (some of these had other problems much worse) I guess I'm lucky so far. I would have to agree to a thin film of grease or corrosion X type of product. Perhaps a zinc based primer?
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Same problem on my F-250. What a pain! I made sure to slather anti-seize on the mating surfaces. No issues since.

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