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Old 11-25-2008, 04:36 PM
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Has anyone has any experiance with them? I was looking into an OS deckhand position with them and wondering what pay is and is it comparable to tugs?
Old 11-26-2008, 05:26 AM
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i'm pretty sure MSC pays based on the CIVMAR scale, plus the chance for overtime. you do get federal benefits which are pretty good.

i worked on a project with their finance division in washington, d.c. so i only have some general, basic knowledge of the at-sea working conditions.

here's the msc site with some pay tables: http://www.msc.navy.mil/civmar/payroll.htm
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i was on one back in 95...and a OS made atleast 70k+ a year..but they were always at sea, few days in port then right back out, i believe the guys would do this for like 6-8 months at a time, 2 man staterooms and great food though .....this was in guam on the USNS Kilauea (ammo ship)
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You will be lucky to get on with then as an OS. I replied to your PM, get your AB on a tug then try for MSC. But be careful on the MSC ships you are just a number, no one cares about you, its hard to get relife sometimes, you could be a bad ship with a bad crew and be stuck for 6-9+ months. And I hate to metion it but you may not be the right shade of color either, some of those ship have "cliqs" and only want their buddies on board. Pound the docks get some experience and find a good stabil tug company to work for.
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I rode one to Cypress during the 90's, babysitting our equipment when it was heading to the Sinia. Not much to do but watch the ocean.
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CaptKennyW - 11/26/2008 9:38 AM

You will be lucky to get on with then as an OS. I replied to your PM, get your AB on a tug then try for MSC. But be careful on the MSC ships you are just a number, no one cares about you, its hard to get relife sometimes, you could be a bad ship with a bad crew and be stuck for 6-9+ months. And I hate to metion it but you may not be the right shade of color either, some of those ship have "cliqs" and only want their buddies on board. Pound the docks get some experience and find a good stabil tug company to work for.
Thanks, My problem is I have my 50ton,MMD,TWIC but I am having trouble finding a tug company that will hire an OS everyone wants an AB?
I can't get my AB license cause you need sea time on a boat that size!! SO basically I need to keep pounding and pounding and find the one tow company that finally says they want to hire and OS.
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where are you located jdizzle? louisiana has a ton of boats jobs ...if you don't do drugs and can make it to work on time, you shouldn't have a problem.....morgan city,La. is a good start...
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Kajun - 11/26/2008 1:29 PM

where are you located jdizzle? louisiana has a ton of boats jobs ...if you don't do drugs and can make it to work on time, you shouldn't have a problem.....morgan city,La. is a good start...
I am from the northeast and I think I would like to stay here, I heard the pay is 2x up here than it is down there?is this true? At this rate I might have to take a job anywhere just to get my time so I can become an AB
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jdizzle - got your PM. i took a screenshot of the pay tables for you



hope this helps.
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Over the summer break I had the opproturnity to ship out on a MSC vessel as a cadet for four months. Having witnessed both unliciensed and licensed departments, I can safely say that being an OS is not a bad gig if you are willing to spend at least six months away from home. The pay is good and so is the overtime. Overtime makes most of your pay in your time onboard. You will have to start out with two months training landside either in Freehold NJ (pray not there), Norfolk or San Diego. I could best explain it as very knowledgeable people, but at the same time some are trying to relive their glory days in the Navy. There are thses "clicks" that other people have posted, so if you are not in one I would recommend that you go straight to an OSW which is an Ordinary that does two watches a day, and you are guarenteed at least 32 hours of overtime a pay peroid going up on the bridge. Not to mention getting your booklet signed off so you can get your AB cirt. That and you will usually end up making a few fast friends and will typically go out with your watch in port.
Then there are tugs that you can go out on. If you want to go tugs I would recommend some of the bigger companies such as PENN Marine (All over the country), OSG (their ATB's not tankers), Kirby (mostly the Mississippi River) or K-Sea (East Coast). They pay a little less then MSC, but you have more of a life at home with them. They typically run a sech of 2 weeks on and 2 off, but that will vary with depending on what company you work for. Its alot of work, but personally I think it is alot more rewarding then going MSC and their pay will usually range from $50,000 to $60,000. Then there is always the option of joining one of the unions such as SIU. There you will find a wide variety of different vessels to ship out on. Hope this provided some insight for you, let me know if you have any other questions, I have a few friends that work for MSC and various tug companies so I can find almost anything out for you reguarding this.
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Jdizzle - 11/26/2008 9:45 AM

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You will be lucky to get on with then as an OS. I replied to your PM, get your AB on a tug then try for MSC. But be careful on the MSC ships you are just a number, no one cares about you, its hard to get relife sometimes, you could be a bad ship with a bad crew and be stuck for 6-9+ months. And I hate to metion it but you may not be the right shade of color either, some of those ship have "cliqs" and only want their buddies on board. Pound the docks get some experience and find a good stabil tug company to work for.
Thanks, My problem is I have my 50ton,MMD,TWIC but I am having trouble finding a tug company that will hire an OS everyone wants an AB?
I can't get my AB license cause you need sea time on a boat that size!! SO basically I need to keep pounding and pounding and find the one tow company that finally says they want to hire and OS.
Yup there is alot of pounding involved. Maybe SIU could help like NY said but im personally leary of the unions. Getting in with MSC isnt as simple as saying "hi can i have a job?" There are tests and selection boards and all sorts of other stuff. Have you talked to any of the companies? Im seem to recall you live in Boston, try Boston Towing and Transport or Reinauer (same company) Foss has tugs there as well. I know it seems like a catch 22 you have to have AB to get a job but noone will give you a job till you have AB. Try MSC and the tugs. Maybe you will get lucky, but you gotta do some pounding!!

BTW dont expect your 50ton to mean anything. I had a 200ton NC and was still a deckhand, till a few months ago.
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CaptKennyW - 11/27/2008 9:16 AM

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You will be lucky to get on with then as an OS. I replied to your PM, get your AB on a tug then try for MSC. But be careful on the MSC ships you are just a number, no one cares about you, its hard to get relife sometimes, you could be a bad ship with a bad crew and be stuck for 6-9+ months. And I hate to metion it but you may not be the right shade of color either, some of those ship have "cliqs" and only want their buddies on board. Pound the docks get some experience and find a good stabil tug company to work for.
Thanks, My problem is I have my 50ton,MMD,TWIC but I am having trouble finding a tug company that will hire an OS everyone wants an AB?
I can't get my AB license cause you need sea time on a boat that size!! SO basically I need to keep pounding and pounding and find the one tow company that finally says they want to hire and OS.
Yup there is alot of pounding involved. Maybe SIU could help like NY said but im personally leary of the unions. Getting in with MSC isnt as simple as saying "hi can i have a job?" There are tests and selection boards and all sorts of other stuff. Have you talked to any of the companies? Im seem to recall you live in Boston, try Boston Towing and Transport or Reinauer (same company) Foss has tugs there as well. I know it seems like a catch 22 you have to have AB to get a job but noone will give you a job till you have AB. Try MSC and the tugs. Maybe you will get lucky, but you gotta do some pounding!!

BTW dont expect your 50ton to mean anything. I had a 200ton NC and was still a deckhand, till a few months ago.
I figures Having a 50 ton will help cause having that proves I know somewhat what I am do and proves I have lots of sea time, cause being an OS doesn't not require having ANY sea time so I hope when applying for and OS spot they will see the licence and know that I have some experiance and am a better choice than the other applicant who has never really even set foot on a boat?? I know eveyone knocks the captains license, I don't exspect it to get me a job in the wheel house but I think it deff shows I have experiance and time and know how!!!
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MSC OS pay is 23,000 per year. Each "shipout" is 4 months and you get 2 weeks of payed time off for every 4 months so you are basically on the water for 9 1/2 months to get 23K seems kinda low? I mean and os on an east coast tug makes $200+ a day don't they?
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It depends on the company. An OS on a ship-docking tug in Norfolk gets between 135-150 a day. That might be different for the NYC tugs or New England tugs, or offshore tugs. Tugs typicaly have 2 scheduals a 240day one (ex. 14 days on/7 days) off or an equal time one (ex. 14on/14 off). MSC is like the 240 schedual except you take it all in a lump. Have you been calling anyone? Have you talked to a MCS recuiter? They can answer these questions better than me. I cant help you make up your mind its seems you dont know what to do. All I can say is this if you get on with MSC you may be stuck on that ship for months on end, if you do the tugs you get to get off every few weeks. Deepwater ship sailing is different than tuggin, they are differnet worlds.
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I know what i wanna do.... work on a tug but finding a company that wants an OS is hard. I called most companys and they said they arent hiring OS so now I am waiting and hoping to hear back from my 2 connections I got in the tug boats
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cool! me personally i would keep at it. someone will call you. See if you can get on one of the bigger ferrys around there the bigger ones may have the tonnage you need for AB.

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