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Old 11-21-2008, 02:31 PM
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I noticed way above squirrel activity in my bird feeders this year then was told it is because There were no acorns this year here in Central CT and around the central shore. Sure enough, none here, or anyone elses property I have asked. Is this everywhere? I was told it is a cyclical thing? This is no joak. Is this an Omen?

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Bob everything from Black Gum, Butternut, Chestnut (some strains), Cherry Birch, Hickory, Kentucky Coffee, Locust, Oak, PawPaw and many more product extreme little seed/ nut this year. Everything except Black Walnut......this was a pretty plentiful year for those.
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Lots of acorns down here in the south. We have been in a drought for a year or so. Maybe drought produces more nuts?
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Oodles and gobs here in NC.
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Holy Crap, Garett, you are right - there is no Hickory nuts either - I usually trip on them this time of year. There has been lots of local concern that the bees are gone....?


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No white/red oak acorns, and hickory nuts in NJ. Zero. If this is a hard winter, the deer are gonna be hurting for certain. The local squirrels look fat, but that is after feeding all 15 of them about 100 lbs of bird seed. did anybody ever eat brunswick stew?
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Let me see if I got this straight. South of the Mason Dixon Line - we got nuts......





seriously here is this..

http://www.topix.com/forum/home/gard...ANN0MSC7UNC9JQ

I'll check with our Voc/Ag and UCONN agricultural Center in our town on Monday - there has to be a reason....


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Nuts out west
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Reel Boobs - 11/21/2008 6:51 AM

Lots of acorns down here in the south. We have been in a drought for a year or so. Maybe drought produces more nuts?
That is a true statement. Trees do have a built in system where they will produce more nuts during a drought or following a drought. For some reason the tree(s) feel a stronger need to continue it's linage when put under a great deal of stress.
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TG_190 - 11/21/2008 7:04 AM
did anybody ever eat brunswick stew?
So that's Brunswick stew with Squirrel.....right.
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LI Sound Grunt - 11/21/2008 7:00 AM

There has been lots of local concern that the bees are gone....?
I've heard some distant talk about that around here too Bob, but I don't buy into it. Why, because the orchards around here haven't suffered one little ioda. And we all know fruit trees need those bees to do their work.
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Plenty of nuts down here in Alabama. Lots of Acorns to.
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Tree out put of fruit-nuts is due to the availability of nutrients. After a year of big production it may have a couple years of scant production to restore nutrient levels. While learning about pecan production one of my instructors used the term carbohydrate. In the case of a drought, trees may not produce very well the year of the droughts so the nutrients are available for nut production when conditions improve.

Last year on my place I had a bumper crop of pecan, this year no pecans, even though I fertilized. hurricane gustav got most of'em. Bunch of limb damage too.

Pine tree lot got busted up pretty good too!

Oak and hickories plenty of mast crop inspite of the hurricane.

Satsuma oranges, trees loaded down, branches bent down. Having trouble giving them all away.

Acorns ain't they them Obama people things?
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twentynine - 11/22/2008 5:33 AM

Acorns ain't they them Obama people things?
Now THATs funny twentynine - why didn't I think of that I guess they are staying low to avoid the publicity.

Anyway here is an article from the local aggie extension center explaining the abundant years - guess they over-do-it someyears so the squirells and such cant possibly eat them all. But this year I have not seen ONE acron or Hickory or Horse Chestnut. Also, how come all the species are striking this year? Must be a conspiracy. Last year we were pelted walking down the road on windy days - it was almost dangerous. And the fact that this is happening all the way into Canada (maybe the maple leafs had something to do with this?) is sorta wierd. Here is the article:

EASTERN CONNECTICUT FOREST LANDOWNERS ASSOCIATION/
WOLF DEN LAND TRUST

PO Box 404, Brooklyn, CT 06234




This is Nuts!
- By Tom Worthley, UCONN Cooperative Extension






hate to admit it, but Iíve been mowing down a lot of oak trees this summer. When you think about the difficulty we have, what with the deer and all, keeping oaks in the woodlot, youíd wonder why Iíd do such a thing. Well, its not because Iíve become a cut-and-run timber bandit, in fact, Iím not even talking about timber-sized trees. The trees Iím talking about arenít falling victim to my chain saw or axe, Iím literally mowing them with my lawn mower!

What Iím talking about is the abundant crop of oak seedlings that have germinated from the tree-mendous volume of acorns that came down at my place last fall. Theyíre coming up in the lawn, the garden, the driveway, the cracks in the walkway, the compost pile and every other darn place you look! I know Iím not the only one who experienced such a huge crop of acorns, either. Whenever I mention acorns recently people chuckle, roll their eyes, and launch into descriptions of the bushel baskets-full, the need to wear a hardhat outdoors, or walking around on ball-bearings and marbles last fall.

After dutifully blowing the leaves off the yard last autumn, I still had thousands of acorns stuck in the grass, pushed down into the soil, and jammed in the treads of my Vibram soles. I think I was shoveling acorns up along with the first snow! And now, all those acorns that didnít get eaten by turkeys, squirrels, deer, bluejays and chipmunks have sprouted into little trees. The chipmunks got a lot of Ďem, too, bless their little hearts. Why, theyíre so fat a couple of them even got caught by my old one-eyed dog. Anyway, the seedlings are quite abundant and I canít help mowing some of them if I want to keep any lawn at all. Itís easy to see how quickly it would all go back to forest if I didnít keep mowing it.

So why the great abundance of acorns last year? Itís not always like that. I checked into some of the silvical (ecological characteristics of trees) references to look for some answers.



The first thing I found was that among the oaks that are most common in our area, even among trees of the same species in the same stand, some individual trees are going to be more prolific seed producers than others. Also, abundant seed crops are cyclical. Even trees that normally produce abundant acorn crops donít do so every year, and here is where it begins to get complicated. The cycle, or period between abundant crops of acorns varies dramatically from species to species. For example, black oak is reported to produce abundant acorns every 2-3 years, while chestnut oak produces a few every year, but in great abundance only every 4-5 years. White oak can take as long as 10 or as few as five years between good seed years. Red and scarlet oak are less reliable than black oak in that they may take as many as five years between abundant seed crops.

Weather in the spring can also play a role in acorn production. White and chestnut oaks produce acorns that ripen during the same growing season they are produced, and germinate in the fall soon after they drop. A warm week or so in the early spring when flowers form (about the same time that leaves appear), followed by cooler than normal temperatures when pollination takes place will almost guarantee an abundant seed crop regardless of the cycle on these species. I seem to recall warm and very dry conditions in the early spring of 2002, so that may be a factor.

Species in the ďRed Oak GroupĒ (red, black and scarlet) on the other hand, require two growing seasons for the acorns to ripen and fall. Even then, the acorns overwinter under a light layer of leaf litter and germinate the following spring. So weather conditions two springs previously may also be a factor. Acorns that must wait until spring to germinate are more susceptible to predation by mice, squirrels, insects, birds, etc., and in poor seed years 90 to 100% of the acorn crop may be consumed by wildlife.

This article originally appeared in the September 2003 ECFLA/WDLT Newsletter.
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I think the bumper crop of acorns last fall was my fault. I bought the house last year and was unprepared with a sorry-azzed pool cover, and the trees dumped TONS of nuts into the pool. Now this year, I installed a new, heavy-duty safety cover, and not one single nut has fallen. My bad guys. I'll leave the cover off next fall and we'll get our nuts back.
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adavefish2 - 11/22/2008 8:38 AM

I think the bumper crop of acorns last fall was my fault. I bought the house last year and was unprepared with a sorry-azzed pool cover, and the trees dumped TONS of nuts into the pool. Now this year, I installed a new, heavy-duty safety cover, and not one single nut has fallen. My bad guys. I'll leave the cover off next fall and we'll get our nuts back.


Murphys law at work again - hey at least it kept the maple helicoptor seeds off....

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If you guys had a really late freeze this spring, that could be the reason.

As previously stated, we have a ton down here. Not just acorns either.................other nuts and berries are plentiful.
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TONS of acorns up here. The deer are bulking up and look real healthy. Plentiful acorns up this way portend a long, cold, snowy winter. So far, I have 3 trips scheduled to escape. I hate acorns and winter...

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LI Sound Grunt - 11/21/2008 4:00 PM

Holy Crap, Garett, you are right - there is no Hickory nuts either - I usually trip on them this time of year. There has been lots of local concern that the bees are gone....?

There is a problem with the bees now, there's a invasive moth that takes over a hive in a matter of weeks eating up the stored honey. The bees will abandon the hive and their winter store of honey, almost certain death to the colony. There's another theory I heard where cell phones are inter fearing with the bee's ability to find their way back to the hive.
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nanjemoycat - 11/21/2008 10:32 PM There's another theory I heard where cell phones are inter fearing with the bee's ability to find their way back to the hive.
Good one Wally!

Oh hey Bob, in that PM I just sent you I forgot to add that link on bee's pollinating deciduous trees, well here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollination

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