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Well... for the first time in 16+ years of computer ownership I had my first ever HD failure. Drive stopped dead in it's track. All data lost. I tried everything to restore - even the last resort freezer method, GONE!

The shame is my last complete backup was over a month ago as I moved my office and didn't reset up the backup drive.
What does this mean? I've lost ALL the uncompressed InletCam images from the past month. The boat shots, hood ornaments, midnight express pix, submarine, mega-yachts etc.

Ok, here is lesson time again - back your crapp up, daily!

Out to get a new PC to hold me over until I get a MacPro next year. Will eventually use this new PC as a media center in the tv room then work off the Mac. Now going to just jump into the $$$ mac right now until I feel I'm 100% ready.

UGH! Have to reset up everything now... email, software etc etc etc. And, I have a fever/cold on top of everything.

Thanks for letting me vent.
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[img]../images/emoticons/frown.gif[/img]Happened to my laptop a few years back, made a funny whirring noise and nada. Make a few calls as there are places that can do data recovery on a dead HD, we had a few done at work looong ago. Sounds like it might be worth some effort.[img]../images/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]
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Does this mean inletcam.com is going to be delayed, some kind of hint or something
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There are data recovery companies that should be able to recover what was on the drive. I was given an estimate of about $2000 for my crashed HD. I am still driving around with it in my car...thinking about spending 2K on nothing.

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Bummer x2. Losing pics are the worst part.

Off-site backup is the way to go. Not that expensive considering the alternative. I use Mozy. 55 bucks a year or so, but I'm only guessing it would work if I needed it. Never actually recovered data from it.

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What GW said. I also use Mozy, I find it a bit slow on the upload (understatement, it can take a day or more to back up the 2-3 gigs of photos I may take on a trip) but in terms of peace of mind I know it is much more reliable than my previous method of taking a backup whenever I remembered to do it.

I actually haven't had a drive fail in years but remember the days when it was an annual occurance.

Good call on the freezer trick. I would hang on to the drive for another day or two and give it a try again. Are the platters not even spining? Any symptoms at all?

If you use an external USB-to-IDE/SATA adapter you have a lot more options for abusing the hard drive, like smacking it around, applying heat/cold, etc, while trying to connect to it. You only need it to come online one last time... but sometimes they are dead, plain and simple.

The absolute last resort (unless you want to cough up the $$$$ for data recovery) is buying an identical drive and transplanting the platters... but that has gotten a lot more complicated than it used to be.

Moving forward, for your image capture etc, a simple 2 drive RAID array is probably your best bet for redundancy without spending a forturne.
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The data recovery places can be expensive but I've never had them not recover everything. And I only used them as an ablsolute last resort after the in-house techies failed.

Did you try smacking the side of the machine?

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That sux

You have to get an automated solution that backs up to a device or a server daily

There are online solutions also


We have been ordering all workstations with twin mirrored drives from Dell. The only cost is the added drive ~$80. If one fails, you keep right on going

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Funny... I was bumming about the lost 5 verado midnight express pix. Went out back to snap some cruise ship pix and who guess who comes by? Midnight Madness! Ha, I took more pix but it's a bit dark out so not sure how they'll turn out.

Will post when I have the new pc runnig.

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yachtjim - 11/21/2008 1:51 PM

Does this mean inletcam.com is going to be delayed, some kind of hint or something
The live cam delay is due to a bad ethernet cable. Another one on the way. Tough week here!
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Happened to me but by a miracle I got the drive back one last time. One of my very techie friends recommended I try SpinRite to try and recover the drive - he HIGHLY recommended it. Its $89. I managed to get my drive back before I needed it, so I can't vouch for it personally but if you still have the drive it might be worth a try.
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The hard drive on my desk-top started flaking out on me several months ago, although I was able to recover most of the data. So I checked into backup systems, and settled on Acronis Backup software, and an external hard drive. The backups are done automatically, according to a schedule that I have set up, and the backups are full-blown, bootable drives. I also have a second full backup done by Acronis, in what they term a "Secure Zone" of the main drive. That could also be used for an instant, bootable recovery if something were to corrupt the "C" drive.

Best hundred bucks you could spend on software. Sorta takes the worry out of something like what Wiley is going through.
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Funny thing, I'm backing up all my stuff to a Seagate stand alone drive as I type. I'm no techie. Will this save me from Wiley's predicament?
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zebco - 11/21/2008 6:50 PM

Funny thing, I'm backing up all my stuff to a Seagate stand alone drive as I type. I'm no techie. Will this save me from Wiley's predicament?
Yes. If you simply copy off your "data files" you will avoid losing anything... now of course if your hard drive were to crash, you'll still need a new one, still have to reinstall your OS and all your programs - but the important stuff - the content that cannot be replaced - will be safe and you can copy it back.

However just to make a point about online backups vs doing it yourself - yes your external hard drive will be much faster, and you can automate backups with software. However, that doesn't necessarily help you in the event of a lightning strike, home robbery, unexpected disaster, etc. At the very low cost of some of these online backup solutions (I pay $5 a month) I think they offer a lot of value when you consider those cases.

For me, worst thing would be losing 10 years of digital photos. The rest of the software, etc, easy enough to replace later. I used to back them up onto CD...then DVD.. then external USB drive.. but then I had to worry about where I was storing those copies, etc.
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Thanks Flot, I see your point.
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Wet-n-Wiley - 11/21/2008 1:32 PMWell... for the first time in 16+ years of computer ownership I had my first ever HD failure. Drive stopped dead in it's track. All data lost. I tried everything to restore - even the last resort freezer method, GONE!The shame is my last complete backup was over a month ago as I moved my office and didn't reset up the backup drive.What does this mean? I've lost ALL the uncompressed InletCam images from the past month. The boat shots, hood ornaments, midnight express pix, submarine, mega-yachts etc.Ok, here is lesson time again - back your crapp up, daily!Out to get a new PC to hold me over until I get a MacPro next year. Will eventually use this new PC as a media center in the tv room then work off the Mac. Now going to just jump into the $$$ mac right now until I feel I'm 100% ready.UGH! Have to reset up everything now... email, software etc etc etc. And, I have a fever/cold on top of everything.Thanks for letting me vent.
I would recommend a network attached storage (NAS) device connected to your broadband router via ethernet to keep your docs backed up on. Mine has raid redundancy, streams music and movies, print, ftp, and web servers, and the drives are hot swappable (up to 1.5 Tb each). This NAS is something that will out last my current laptops, and serves as a fault tolerant repository for pics. I also recommend drive imaging software such as Norton Ghost, or Acronis to make a machine completely recoverable no matter what. To illustrate to those that don't know about disc imaging sw: If you had an image of your lost drive, you'd be able to pop a new drive in your machine, boot up off of the Ghost disk, recover completely, and it would be a $100 fix. BTW a Nas will go for $200 -400 for a consumer level unit (D-Link, Netgear, etc.)


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Two things:

(1) as others have said, data recover services. They can get your data back, est about $350.

(2) RAID!!! HDDs are cheap, and will be getting a whole lot cheaper as Samsung's solid state drives increase in capacity and prices come down. Mechanical drive are becoming a thing of the past. Good, no more HDD failures.




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These drives were old. I had RAID - but striped.

Back in the day we went for speed.

On the bright side this new PC is faster than ex-lax!

It's a mini-tower and will make a great media center pc when I eventually get a macpro.
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Mac or PC, redundant external hard drives, auto-scheduled back-ups, AND CD copies are your friend.
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Man Wiley, sorry to hear. Nothing is worse than when the computer shits out. I know a PC can crash because of a virus, but what may have caused what happened to you?

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