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The great folks of Liberty County, Georgia, USA want to pass this, Please help by e-mail or call!.
The Coastal Courier
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Posted on 10/24/2008
PUBLIC NOTICE
NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR A NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM PERMIT TO DISCHARGE TREATED WASTEWATER INTO THE WATERS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA.
The Georgia Environmental Protection Division (EPD) is considering the issuance of an NPDES permit for the following applicant, subject to specific pollutant limitations and special conditions: Liberty County Development Authority, 425 West Oglethorpe Highway, Hinesville, Georgia, 31313, NPDES Permit No. GA0039101, for the proposed Tradeport East Water Reclamation Facility located on 2170 Subury Road in Midway, Georgia 31320. This permit includes a new discharge of 2.0 MGD with an expansion to 3.0 MGD of treated wastewater to be discharged to the Laurel View River in the Ogeechee River Basin. Persons wishing to comment on the proposed permit are invited to submit their comments in writing to the EPDD address below, within 30 days of this notice. All comments received before or on that date will be considered in the formulation of final determinations for this permit. “Liberty County Development Authority LCDS TEWRF (Liberty County)” should be placed at the top of the first page of comments. A public hearing may be held if the EPD Director finds a significant degree of public interest in the proposed permit. Additional information regarding public hearing procedures is available by writing the EPD. A public hearing may be requested, or additional information regarding public hearing procedures is available, by writing the EPD at the address noted below. The permit application, draft permit, and other information are available for review at 4220 International Parkway, Suite 101, Atlanta, Georgia 30354, between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 4:30 p.m., Monday through Friday and at Liberty County Development Authority office during normal business hours. For additional information contact: Jane Hendricks, Permitting, Compliance and Enforcement Program, Phone 404/362-2680.Please bring this to the attention of persons who you know will be interested in this matter. 28172(Oct.22)




AND,



All,

The attached public notice was published in the Coastal Courier this
past Wednesday, October 22, 2008. The Liberty County Industrial
Authority ("LCIA") is requesting a permit from The Georgia
Environmental Protection Division ("EPD") to discharge up to 3 million
gallons per day of wastewater into the Laurel View River.

It is important that the EPD receive comments sufficient to cause a
public hearing to be held on this matter. The EPD will make a
determination as to whether or not to hold a public hearing based upon
public comments received on or before November 20, 2008.

Comments can be submitted as follows:

Place the following at the top of the first page of comments:

"Liberty County Development Authority LCDS TEWRF (Liberty County)"

Fax or mail comments to:

Jane Hendricks
Program Manager
Permitting, Compliance & Enforcement
The Georgia Environmental Protection Division
4220 International Parkway, Suite 101
Atlanta, Georgia 30354-3902

Phone: 404/362-2680
Fax: 404/362-2691

Please bring this to the attention of persons who you know will be
interested in this matter.

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J. Allen Davis
Coastal Asset Management, LLC
15 Lake Street, Suite 270
Savannah, Georgia 31411
Phone: 912-598-7223
Fax: 912-598-9444
www.camsav.com








this is a response from Mr. Davis to one of my neighbors who had asked him questions.



The Laurel View River runs south of Isle of Wight and meets the Jerico River and then the Belfast River to become Dutchman Bay on the north side of Sunbury. This then runs into the Medway River to St. Catherines Sound.

Generally, this volume of waste water would have a significant impact on the ecosystem in the area. It would effect all forms of aquatic life and all other species of wildlife that coexist in the area.

Along with the 3 million gallons per day discharge permit issue, the Liberty County Industrial Authority's capacity assumptions are based upon developments that have been delayed indefinitely or abandoned due to eroding and unpredictable market conditions. Further, the current financial plan provided by the Industrial Authority in a public meeting shows that while the first phase of the waste water plant will serve 5,330 Equivalent Residential Units ("ERUs") which do not exist, 10,770 ERUs must be built in the Midway and Sunbury areas for the Industrial Authority to avoid defaulting on the interest and principal payments on the $30 million debt to SunTrust.

Current water and wastewater demand consists solely of IDI in Tradeport East which has one unoccupied spec building and has only committed to potentially use 350 ERUs at some point in the future. Target and Tire Rack are already being served by the existing City of Midway system. At present, their needs are being met by the City of Midway's system as well. The 10,000+ ERU balance will have to come from new residential homes which do not exist and are not planned. Although I have clearly established that the project is not feasible, the LCIA has elected to move forward. In addition, Thomas & Hutton, the LCIA's own engineering firm, presented a detailed report showing that the LCIA was over spending to the tune of millions. In the final Task Order 4, for example, which totals approximately $23 million, CH2MHill's construction management fee is $5.6 million after already having been paid several million dollars in Task Orders 1, 2, and 3 for engineering and site prep work.


Also, it important to note that owners of Laurel View are potentially facing an eminent domain action by the LCIA's to secure an outfall route for effluent into the Laurel View River through their highest bluff which, at a height of 25+ feet, one of the most pristine and beautiful coastal bluffs on the East Coast. Their current plan calls for a cascading waterfall of waste water into the Laurel View River.


--
J. Allen Davis
Coastal Asset Management, LLC
15 Lake Street, Suite 270
Savannah, Georgia 31411
Phone: 912-598-7223
Fax: 912-598-9444
www.camsav.com

I got it off this post...

http://www.coastaloutdoors.com/ibf/i...howtopic=19396
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Read the last paragraph above. Scary....
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Sad BUT.......................................

Population growth requires infrastructure to support such growth. Spend three hundred million dollars today or spend a billion and a half tomorrow, either way infrastructure is needed for such growth. No municipality or county can grow without the infrastructure already in place.

.................................it’s sad that a water treatment system has to effect such a beautiful area.
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Depends on the quality of the effluent. Some WWTPs discharge water that is up to drinking water standards and can be of higher quality than the receiving waters. And sometimes they help get rid of older, poorly operated and maintained small package plants that end up hooking in to the new system. Just make sure you've got good people running the system.

Can't speak to the imminent domain issue but it does sound a little screwy.

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Ah yes, the cascading poo waterfall. Do the tour boats issue raincoats or hazmat suits?

Seriously, if I read this right, they are planning to build a sewage treatment facility for homes that aren't there currently and won't be there in the foreseeable future. Brilliant!

If I misinterpreted and it's needed then it should be built but what's the deal with the waterfall? I would think a discrete outfall piped into the river would be more acceptable. Also, I'm sure that safeguards are in place to insure water quality so I wouldn't be too concerned about the effluent as a health concern.

I would be curious about the environmental impact of millions of gallons of water being injected into the river system, even if it is clean. Is the treated water making up for water taken out of the river system for drinking water? Is it going to overload the river or cause an imbalance in the estuarine areas downstream?
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OReely - 11/8/2008 10:05 AM

Ah yes, the cascading poo waterfall. Do the tour boats issue raincoats or hazmat suits?

Seriously, if I read this right, they are planning to build a sewage treatment facility for homes that aren't there currently and won't be there in the foreseeable future. Brilliant!

If I misinterpreted and it's needed then it should be built but what's the deal with the waterfall? I would think a discrete outfall piped into the river would be more acceptable. Also, I'm sure that safeguards are in place to insure water quality so I wouldn't be too concerned about the effluent as a health concern.

I would be curious about the environmental impact of millions of gallons of water being injected into the river system, even if it is clean. Is the treated water making up for water taken out of the river system for drinking water? Is it going to overload the river or cause an imbalance in the estuarine areas downstream?
You have it right. Water is supposed to be drinking quality, but the costs to get it where it's needed costs money. So dump it. Liberty County Georgia are the good ole boys. They can do anything.
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Stcatfisherman - 11/8/2008 4:40 AM
You have it right. Water is supposed to be drinking quality, but the costs to get it where it's needed costs money. So dump it. Liberty County Georgia are the good ole boys. They can do anything.
"Generally" water treatment plants don't dump water/ raw sewage........unless it rains.
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Garett - 11/8/2008 2:05 PM

Stcatfisherman - 11/8/2008 4:40 AM
You have it right. Water is supposed to be drinking quality, but the costs to get it where it's needed costs money. So dump it. Liberty County Georgia are the good ole boys. They can do anything.
"Generally" water treatment plants don't dump water/ raw sewage........unless it rains.
A new system should not have very much I & I and with almost any reasonably sized system, they should have enough holding capacity to keep it until it is treated.
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Stcatfisherman - 11/8/2008 4:40 AM
You have it right. Water is supposed to be drinking quality, but the costs to get it where it's needed costs money. So dump it. Liberty County Georgia are the good ole boys. They can do anything.
"Generally" water treatment plants don't dump water/ raw sewage........unless it rains.
Scotland................. Ok, do you know anything about Georgia.
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OReely - 11/8/2008 10:05 AM

Ah yes, the cascading poo waterfall. Do the tour boats issue raincoats or hazmat suits?

Seriously, if I read this right, they are planning to build a sewage treatment facility for homes that aren't there currently and won't be there in the foreseeable future. Brilliant!

If I misinterpreted and it's needed then it should be built but what's the deal with the waterfall? I would think a discrete outfall piped into the river would be more acceptable. Also, I'm sure that safeguards are in place to insure water quality so I wouldn't be too concerned about the effluent as a health concern.

I would be curious about the environmental impact of millions of gallons of water being injected into the river system, even if it is clean. Is the treated water making up for water taken out of the river system for drinking water? Is it going to overload the river or cause an imbalance in the estuarine areas downstream?
Yes it is!

There is no downstream, it's tidal. The shit goes back and forth with the tide.
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Stcatfisherman - 11/8/2008 3:44 PM
There is no downstream, it's tidal. The shit goes back and forth with the tide.
A fresh water marsh does an incredible job of cleaning waste water. Sounds like you guys are going to jump start the estuary.
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Consider what the overall effect on water quality would be with a modern municipal WWPT versus having septic systems or small package point discharges. Many septic systems fail without even showing visible signs of failure. These can lead to serious degradation to water quality that will last for years. IMO, if the development is coming, you're better off with a new WWTP.

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