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Old 07-20-2008, 08:03 AM
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Yesterday I took my new HS 33 down the Cape Cod Canal for lunch at the Aqua Grille and gas for Kitty ($4.50/gallon). Anyway, great ride down the canal (from Buzzards Bay) and lunch was delicious. We headed back around 1:30 and that’s when the fun began.

Before we got to the Sagamore Bridge we encountered 3’ chop. I had to ignore the 10 MPH speed limit and hit the throttle to keep everyone from getting wet. I’ve never seen this before. The canal is well guarded and there weren’t any big boats churning up chop.

We went through a few more of these choppy areas before we got to the Mass Maritime Academy. I was thinking to myself – the mouth of the canal is going to be brutal today.

Once I got past the 10 MPH sign, I took it up to about 30 MPH and headed into the abyss. It was quite surreal as we took that 1-2 mile run out into Buzzards Bay; as the waves steadily grew from 3’ footers to 5’ footers to bigger. On both sides of us we saw boats of all sizes turning around and heading back. Just before we cleared the sand bar we passed a 50’ sportfisher that was struggling to hold 20 knots into the sea.

Now we’re all alone and every wave is 6’-8, very short cycle, very steep faced, and coming from multiple directions. The stereo is playing Toby Keith’s “Whiskey Girl” loud enough to drown out everything else.

We’re jumping around, but staying in the water. I remember everyone’s advice to hold my speed, so I’m still doing 30 MPH into these eight footers.

Then from nowhere jumps a 12 footer. It breaks over the bow (which is riding high) and over the windshield and tee-top. Enough water is forced through the 6” slot between the top of the windshield and the bottom of the tee-top to completely drench everyone from head to toe. It felt like we hit something, I looked down at the instruments and the engines were revving over 5000 RPM and our speed was dropping.

I’m not quite sure what happened with the engines, but I simply powered down and powered back up and everything went fine. As it turned out, that 12 footer was the last of big canal chop and we quickly found ourselves back in 3-5 footers doing 35 MPH again.

So, that’s the limit (for Mean Kitty anyways) that you might expect out of a 3300CC Hydra Sport.

The wind was only blowing around 20, so those waves were tide driven, not wind driven. High tide was at 10:30 AM and low was around 4:15 PM. We hit the abyss around 2:00 PM.

It’s clear that I need to learn more about the tidal conditions that cause those monster waves, so if anyone out there knows some rule of thumb for the Buzzard’s Bay side of the Cape Cod Canal, I’d appreciate some insight.

Thanks,

Dave
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:10 AM
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Wow, 30 MPH in "eight footers"! I would like to see that!
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:13 AM
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How do like those motors so far?
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:14 AM
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Yep, 30 MPH and 8'ers. We were bouncing up and down several feet with each wave, but due to the weight of the boat (350 gallons of gas and 4 passengers), we were sticking pretty close to the water. We never left the water.
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other line - 7/20/2008 10:13 AM How do like those motors so far?
So far they're absolutely perfect.

Keep in mind most of my cruising is in 2-3' chop and I like to keep my tanks topped off, so my performance is less than ideal. I really like the cruising speed from 30MPH up to around 40MPH. At 30MPH I get around 1.3 MPG and at 40 MPH I'm getting around 1 MPG. Evinrude actually borrowed my boat to do the official speed tests for the 300's and they got a WOT of 51 MPH with a very light load in calm seas. I believe it.

I've heard that the same boat with trips or F-350's requires a lot of tabs to keep the bow down. At 550 lbs/each, I find that I ran run with virtually no tabs as long as someone is sitting in the seat in front of the console. I also found that I lose .2 MPG when I drop the tabs.

I'm not sure this is relevant, but after 20 hours it took 160 gallons of gas to refill the tanks (8 gallons an hour). Most of my drive timehas beenat cruise speed (no trolling yet), so I think my actual fuel economy may be better than the computer shows.
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:31 AM
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Heres a video of a coast guard rescue in 8' sea. Watch the very end. This is open ocean, not wind blown 8' "chop" which would be worse.
http://cgvi.uscg.mil/media/main.php?g2_itemId=274962
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That HS must have one sweet ride to hold 30mph into that stuff. Especially given a 50 Sporty could only make 20knots. Are you sure that you know what a true 8 footer looks like. That is pretty big chop to be running in spaced as tightly as you explain.
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Just wait for slack tide.
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[QUOTE]Mr. Demeanor - 7/20/2008 11:31 AMHeres a video of a coast guard rescue in 8' sea. Watch the very end. This is open ocean, not wind blown 8' "chop" which would be worse. http://cgvi.uscg.mil/media/main.php?g2_itemId=274962[/QUOTE]

Those look like the same height, but ours were much closer together and that enabled us to plow from top to top with the boat dipping about 2-3 foot in between waves. Quite honestly, I was surprised myself -- and I was at the helm!

Don't get me wrong, if I didn't know that it would be over in a minute, I would have turned back myslef. It was still quite wild.
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I recently went on Vacation to Nags Head N.C. while there I took a charter out to the canyons on a 57' (17' beam) Buddy Cannaday sport fisher. A true hand built, no frills Carolina boat. We left the Oregon Inlet Fishing Center at dawn and while I couldn't see much, I KNEW how big the waves were on the Oregon Inlet!

The captain put the hammer down on the single 1000HP Cat Turbo and all I could hear in the Salon was the sucking sound of a big diesel breathing fire! I sat on the lounge seat and then it hit me... I have no idea how big the wave was.. But my seat dropped 5' from under me.. I eventually caught up with the seat, and the deck hand was just laughing so hard.. He was like "Seat get away from ya?" LOL!

Once out of the inlet we head out about 60 miles and let me tell you, the waves out there were no better that day.. We got POUNDED all day long.. I was sicker than a dog (never threw up, but sure as hell couldn't stand up!) One of the few times I did stand up I watched the port outrigger splash into the water. Did I mention we were slow trolling for Marlin all day? OHHHHHH man was I sick!

I'll stick to my rivers thank you very much

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I'm still not impressed with what the E300's are getting for MPG..could you post please what you get using this format?..I have posted here many times and the 300 E's seem to be very thirsty vs any other 4S......I think that's a reason we're not hearing much about them since they've been released...

and yeah, I read the etec test...but would like to see what you get in real world...

3500 gph speed
4000 gph speed
5000 gph speed

If you need a PDF grid to print and fill out I've provided one here:

http://www.veradoclub.com/docs/grid.pdf

you can fax it to 954-301-0252 and I will post it here...

Since you had the boat that they tested, it would be interesting to compare the #'s...

Thanks!


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Old 07-20-2008, 07:24 PM
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Mean Kitty - 7/20/2008 7:03 AM



Yesterday I took my new HS 33 down the Cape Cod Canal for lunch at the Aqua Grille and gas for Kitty ($4.50/gallon). Anyway, great ride down the canal (from Buzzards Bay) and lunch was delicious. We headed back around 1:30 and that’s when the fun began.

Before we got to the Sagamore Bridge we encountered 3’ chop. I had to ignore the 10 MPH speed limit and hit the throttle to keep everyone from getting wet. I’ve never seen this before. The canal is well guarded and there weren’t any big boats churning up chop.

We went through a few more of these choppy areas before we got to the Mass Maritime Academy. I was thinking to myself – the mouth of the canal is going to be brutal today.

Once I got past the 10 MPH sign, I took it up to about 30 MPH and headed into the abyss. It was quite surreal as we took that 1-2 mile run out into Buzzards Bay; as the waves steadily grew from 3’ footers to 5’ footers to bigger. On both sides of us we saw boats of all sizes turning around and heading back. Just before we cleared the sand bar we passed a 50’ sportfisher that was struggling to hold 20 knots into the sea.

Now we’re all alone and every wave is 6’-8, very short cycle, very steep faced, and coming from multiple directions. The stereo is playing Toby Keith’s “Whiskey Girl” loud enough to drown out everything else.

We’re jumping around, but staying in the water. I remember everyone’s advice to hold my speed, so I’m still doing 30 MPH into these eight footers.

Then from nowhere jumps a 12 footer. It breaks over the bow (which is riding high) and over the windshield and tee-top. Enough water is forced through the 6” slot between the top of the windshield and the bottom of the tee-top to completely drench everyone from head to toe. It felt like we hit something, I looked down at the instruments and the engines were revving over 5000 RPM and our speed was dropping.

I’m not quite sure what happened with the engines, but I simply powered down and powered back up and everything went fine. As it turned out, that 12 footer was the last of big canal chop and we quickly found ourselves back in 3-5 footers doing 35 MPH again.

So, that’s the limit (for Mean Kitty anyways) that you might expect out of a 3300CC Hydra Sport.

The wind was only blowing around 20, so those waves were tide driven, not wind driven. High tide was at 10:30 AM and low was around 4:15 PM. We hit the abyss around 2:00 PM.

It’s clear that I need to learn more about the tidal conditions that cause those monster waves, so if anyone out there knows some rule of thumb for the Buzzard’s Bay side of the Cape Cod Canal, I’d appreciate some insight.

Thanks,

Dave
Thats amazing, thats beyond the capabilites of most offshore race boats......Wow
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I have never had the guts to go that fast in 8 footers. I have always slowed down when they got above 5.
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Glen E - 7/20/2008 4:31 PM I'm still not impressed with what the E300's are getting for MPG..could you post please what you get using this format?..I have posted here many times and the 300 E's seem to be very thirsty vs any other 4S......I think that's a reason we're not hearing much about them since they've been released... and yeah, I read the etec test...but would like to see what you get in real world... 3500 gph speed 4000 gph speed 5000 gph speed If you need a PDF grid to print and fill out I've provided one here: http://www.veradoclub.com/docs/grid.pdf you can fax it to 954-301-0252 and I will post it here... Since you had the boat that they tested, it would be interesting to compare the #'s... Thanks!
Glen -- Sounds like you're justfishing for some 300 E-TEC bashing grist. I expected more from you.

Tell you what I'll do,you postyournumbers for on a 2008 HS3300CC with twin 300HP Merc whatevers (don't forget to load it up with 350 gallons of gas and 4 passengers) and then I'll post mine! Then we can debate 300 HP thirstiness, anything else is just bashing.

Seriously, I bought a 13,000 boat to handle the seas here in Buzzards Bay and per my earlier story, it's doing a great job. I keep the tanks full for additional ballast. I could care less about gas mileage, but I am getting better numbers than I expected. I just posted my earlier numbers to answer a sincere request for information from another THT member.

By the way, last fall Idumped two 200 HP mercurys with 150 hours on them and I had to pay the guy to haul them away -- they absolutely had a negative impact on the selling price of my Boston Whaler. They were in the shop at least twice a summer for 5 years (that's why the hours were so low -- you can't run up the hours when the boat is in the shop due to dog engines). I currently have a 2006 25HP 4S with about 10 hours on it and it has also been the shop 5 times.

I can unequivocally say that these Mercurys were the most disappointing purchase I have ever made in my entire life.

I wouldn't careif theymade a 30 MPG outboard, I WOULD NEVER BUY ANOTHER PRODUCT FROM MERCURY.
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Old 07-21-2008, 06:51 AM
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no grist here - I just have not seen any numbers posted on the 300's since they came out...
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CapnDean - 7/20/2008 9:50 PM

I have never had the guts to go that fast in 8 footers. I have always slowed down when they got above 5.
It really doesn't take guts......all you have to be is a little crazy........
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:16 AM
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In all seriousness, 8' or otherwise, the West end of the canal wind against tide is no place to mess around, especially in a moon tide (this weekend). A few years back in the exact same conditions we took a 43' downeast through there and stuffed hard enough to put a foot of green water in the cockpit from coming over the wheelhouse. We were doing 15 knots and lucky we did not blow out a wheelhouse window. that same day a 20ish foot boat capsized at the west end and as I recall several people drowned.

You might want to consider what would have happened had the green water shorted your controls or otherwise killed your motors. Or had someone go out of the back of the boat. Could you perform a rescue in those conditions? How would you do sitting beam to, trying to get your motors restarted?

Maybe the other boats turning back were thinking of these things. I currently run a 36' CC, and in these same condition I would have likely ran 8-9 knots with the bow as elevated as possible. In the event I take green water doing this it stays off the controls and motors. I am not going to chuck anyone out of the boat. And the tide is with you, so getting through the worst of it would only take 10-15 minutes.

Just my 2 cents.

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8 footers???? you, that boat, head wind/chop (which means the period was 3-4 seconds)... 8 footers and 30mph????

Dude... nice story, nice trip.... but 8 -12 footers in a windblown chop AT 30 MPH... come on.
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Glen E - 7/21/2008 8:51 AM no grist here - I just have not seen any numbers posted on the 300's since they came out...
There are plenty of test numbers out there -- you just have to look for them!

2008 23' Proline Express

2008 Ranger 2410 Bay

200829Twin Vee 29CC

2008 Seahunter 35 (Triples)

2008 Hydra Sport 3300CC (Twins)

How do you read these tests and conclude "their thirsty"...
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iguana - 7/21/2008 9:16 AM In all seriousness, 8' or otherwise, the West end of the canal wind against tide is no place to mess around, especially in a moon tide (this weekend). A few years back in the exact same conditions we took a 43' downeast through there and stuffed hard enough to put a foot of green water in the cockpit from coming over the wheelhouse. We were doing 15 knots and lucky we did not blow out a wheelhouse window. that same day a 20ish foot boat capsized at the west end and as I recall several people drowned. You might want to consider what would have happened had the green water shorted your controls or otherwise killed your motors. Or had someone go out of the back of the boat. Could you perform a rescue in those conditions? How would you do sitting beam to, trying to get your motors restarted? Maybe the other boats turning back were thinking of these things. I currently run a 36' CC, and in these same condition I would have likely ran 8-9 knots with the bow as elevated as possible. In the event I take green water doing this it stays off the controls and motors. I am not going to chuck anyone out of the boat. And the tide is with you, so getting through the worst of it would only take 10-15 minutes. Just my 2 cents.
I'm a pretty seasoned boat operator and I never felt that we were in serious risk (as opposed to my old 26' Whaler Outrage, thatfelt at risk in anything over 3'.

What tide conditions (beside slack high) are the next easiest going at the West End of the Canal. I don't take 12 hours trips, so I can only go through at slack high on one of my legs.
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