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Old 04-12-2008, 09:09 PM
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Default Please watch "Crude" on History International Channel

It is past time for a change......

The awesome grip crude oil has taken onto our perception of the Earth.

The past is a great teacher......is it too late for our Children's children?
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Old 04-13-2008, 01:27 PM
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When does it air?
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Old 04-13-2008, 01:58 PM
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It's already over. Dang it. 2-4 eastern.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:16 PM
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comes on again Tuesday april 22 10am....tivo is set
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:54 PM
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Some deep stuff about oceans basically dying during periods of extended warmth. Not trying to say the sky is falling right now, but as they say....history has a way of repeating itself.

Thanks Mrhoward for finding another showtime.
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Mega Tsunami, asteroid or comet impacts, mega earthquakes, pandemics, mega crop failures, africanized killer bees, all honey bees dying off for unknown reasons, super volcanoes in the midwest, super tornados, mega hurricane hitting New York, oceans dying, icecaps melting, polar bears dying, climate crisis due to global warming, hole in ozone, credit crisis, oil crisis, student loan crisis, US dollar in a "free-fall", housing market in free-fall, national debt, terrorism, stock market crisis, recession, depression, etc.

Watch enough TV and you'll be afraid to get out of bed in the morning. There seems to be a concentrated effort by the media in causing a national sense of panic. People are very easy to control when they are afraid.

I believe in the 70's scientists said we were headed into a mini Ice Age. In the late 70's and early 80's we had a hole in the ozone. Everyone was going to die of skin cancer. Now we've fixed the ozone hole which is causing us to trap more Co2, unfortunately leading to increased global warming. I didn't watch the show you recommended so I can't comment about the content. I can say that I think it's never too late.
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:20 AM
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I don't think I have watched this show, but I have seen some others that were very interesting in explaining where oil came from and gave me a new perspective of the potential that burning oil could significantly accelerate a period of global warming. That's assuming that the show writers are correct in what they are reporting as facts. (I always love the "many scientists believe" disclaimers the History Channel throws out - history has shown that the truth normally does not lie with the scientific concensus but with the one "crackpot" that is later discovered to have been correct.)

So from the oil shows, I now conclude that oil is actually a solar/bio fuel and the burning of oil could potentially cause global warming which could then cause a mass extinction. But I've also learned that human beings and human civilizations are but a mere flash of light in relation to the age of the earth and universe. So who knows when this will happen.
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Yep, people are very easy to control when they are afraid.
Ever notice that one particular political party discovers, or invents, a new crisis about something or other just about once a month.
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Ever notice how certain people get worked up over Dr. Grays hurricane predictions? They always tie it to global warming. Yet I rarely hear anyone mention that this same Dr. disagrees with the global warming fanatics. Gray has actually predicted a cooling down period............ Not that certain types will bother to read/hear that part of Gray's research.
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Beuford T. Justice - 4/14/2008 8:27 AM

Yep, people are very easy to control when they are afraid.
Ever notice that one particular political party discovers, or invents, a new crisis about something or other just about once a month.

^^^^What he said^^^^
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Old 04-14-2008, 07:17 AM
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Sorry, I don't see how watching a TV documentary concerning something
oil that we all use every day will cause fear on its own. Stay informed, but
believe what you choose to believe.

The gas crunch of the 70s turned out to be a bust. But the hole in the
ozone layer was real according to scientists and they banned certain
aerosols to preserve it.

Science says there is mercury contamination even in the most remote
lakes. I haven't personally confirmed it, but I believe it enough to limit
the amount of fish I eat from places like the Great Lakes.

Global warming seems to be real. I will listen to both sides of the
argument and make up my own mind. (and try not to panic)

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HullSlap - 4/14/2008 4:47 AM

Mega Tsunami, asteroid or comet impacts, mega earthquakes, pandemics, mega crop failures, africanized killer bees, all honey bees dying off for unknown reasons, super volcanoes in the midwest, super tornados, mega hurricane hitting New York, oceans dying, icecaps melting, polar bears dying, climate crisis due to global warming, hole in ozone, credit crisis, oil crisis, student loan crisis, US dollar in a "free-fall", housing market in free-fall, national debt, terrorism, stock market crisis, recession, depression, etc.

Watch enough TV and you'll be afraid to get out of bed in the morning. There seems to be a concentrated effort by the media in causing a national sense of panic. People are very easy to control when they are afraid.

I believe in the 70's scientists said we were headed into a mini Ice Age. In the late 70's and early 80's we had a hole in the ozone. Everyone was going to die of skin cancer. Now we've fixed the ozone hole which is causing us to trap more Co2, unfortunately leading to increased global warming. I didn't watch the show you recommended so I can't comment about the content. I can say that I think it's never too late.


They will use fear to control the masses, this is the easiest way for the good ol boys behind the curtain to keep taking our civil rights away. This way we wont complain about it, we will beg for them to take them.
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illgotoo - 4/14/2008 7:17 AM

The gas crunch of the 70s turned out to be a bust. But the hole in the
ozone layer was real according to scientists and they banned certain
aerosols to preserve it.

-tom
The CFC free chemicals now used in aerosols and refrigeration solved the ozone problem. Fortunately the new safer CFC free stuff doesn't deplete the ozone layer. Unfortunately it is a significant greenhouse gas thousands of times more likely to cause global warming than R-12 and other CFC. Fix one problem and create another.

Ultimately most crisis situations can probably be traced back to someone attempting to make lots of money.
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Ultimately most crisis situations can probably be traced back to someone attempting to make lots of money.

Hullslap: I don't disagree with what you say. Its true that some solutions just aggrevate another problem.
I guess you just have to keep trying for the least offensive solution... And people will be right there to
capitalize -- as you say.

The oil we consume and the price paid for it concerns me. That makes me part of the problem because of
the twin Mercury EFIs I run. This year I have spent more money on a slip closer to the waters I boat in
to save gas. I will also cut down on towing.

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Beuford T. Justice - 4/14/2008 5:27 AM

Yep, people are very easy to control when they are afraid.
Ever notice that one particular political party discovers, or invents, a new crisis about something or other just about once a month.
.....while the other party just changes the "terror" alert whenever one of them gets caught with a homosexual prostitute
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Here is a semi-rhetorical question that I can't quite sort out. If so many of us can see the situation for what it is, why do we allow it to persist? Are boaters a biased sample, and is the rest of the US population just tooling along in blissful ignorance, or are they that lacking in their powers of perception?
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illgotoo - 4/14/2008 9:17 AM

Global warming seems to be real. I will listen to both sides of the
argument and make up my own mind. (and try not to panic)

-tom
I disagree. I believe gobal warming can BECOME real, but as of now it's simply a way for Al Gore to make hundreds of millions. Talk about a hypocrit! Here's a guy who rides around the world almost daily in a private jet spewing out tons of CO2 while heating and cooling at least two mansion sized homes telling us, that WE need to cut back on emissions.

I don't see anything wrong with taking measures to prevent global warming and I'm ALL for alternative, renewable energy, but alarmists like Gore are using scare tactics to make money and infuence political thought. There is just too much evidence to contradict the global warming nuts for me to just take their word for it. After all, Newton was confined to his home and threatened with excommunication and possible imprisonment or even execution for espousing the crazy theory that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe and that it actually orbited the Sun rather than the other way around. In the same way, scientists who offer debate backed up by numbers and facts are being ostracized by the global warming crowd. If the global warming crowd is so sure of themselves, then why won't they debate it? They seem to take a position of "we're right, and you're wrong, and no matter how well you prove we're wrong... we're still right". That's not science, that's politics bordering on religion! Think about that. What is the most fundemental tenet of EVERY religion on this planet? Faith!!! You HAVE to believe!!! Why.......? For the simple reason that no religion on the planet can PROVE that their belief system is "right" or that it is based on indisputable fact. Most of them also back up this essential requirement for faith with fear too. Fear of the unknown. Fear of death. What is on the other side? By capitalizing on fear, they are able to "scare" you into believing, if for some insane reason you want something like proof. This is EXACTLY what Al Gore and company are doing. "You gotta believe that global warming is happening simply because we say so and if you don't believe, then you will burn, not in Hell, but on Earth." Sound familiar?

Yes I know my analysis of religion is a little cynical, but it's directed mostly towards what people seeking political power and wealth have turned religions into, not religion itself.
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Yep, we could use some global warming right now in the ATL. We had a little snow last night. But I think the global warming is supposed to return by the end of the week with high 70s.

One comment about controlling the masses with fear. When you are being robbed, the robber will instill as much fear into you as he can to get you to comply. Same with our government. Keeps our minds from wandering off and thinking what it would be like if the people controlled the government, so they crank up the "fear" machine, and the media is glad to serve it up with a heaping side of political correctness.

Although, I consider myself a "true" American, who has served and sacrificed with the best of them, I sometimes wonder if that "America" still exists.
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I don't think the origin has anything to do with government at all. If anything, they are more reactionary than an ordinary citizen...it's all about votes. The real "problem" lies with the 24 hour news cycle and the insatiable need for news, even if it isn't news. Remember Kerry Emanuel of MIT? "His new method of simulating weather patterns as computer models shows that there will be in fact an overall drop in the number of hurricanes. During the intense 2004 and 2005 hurricane seasons, Emanuel was one of the first to blame global warming and even said that active storm seasons will become the norm.

But now Emanuel is changing his mind saying, "The results surprised me. The take home message is that we've got a lot of work to do."

Imagine that. Anyone see this in "mainstream" media? No, because good news doesn't sell. As for oil, provide me with a reasonable alternative and I'll use it. Until then, let's use what we have. It's there, it's not in any real danger of running out, and it works.
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