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Old 01-14-2008, 07:32 PM
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Time for a new truck.
The lease on my 2005 Ram 1500 QuadCab is up and time to start shopping.
The Dodge has 145,000 miles on it and only needed an idler pulley and a u-joint in the 3 years I owned it. The Hemi also got 19 mpg @ 70 mph and averaged 13 mpg pulling my 7500 lb rig.
I want a truck with a larger cab area and 6'5" bed. The Dodge Quad cab is basically a super cab truck.
Looking at the Ford F250 Lariat with the 5.4 or a GMC 2500 HD SLT with the 6.0.

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Old 01-14-2008, 07:36 PM
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:17 AM
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GMC or Chevy 2500HD get the Duramax Diesel and the Allison trans. They are so quite now and will pull a house down. The gas burner is ok but you will get better fuel economy out of the diesel. I have owned both. Good Luck. There are some pretty good rebates on the diesel now through GM. I think $3200 off of the diesel and if you own a gm product you get another $1000 here in the southeast on a 2008 model.

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I would seriously consider the v10, but the 5.4 is a good motor. If I don't get another diesel, it will be the v10. Can't speak for Chevy.

I wouldn't recommend a diesel if you are doing a fair amount of short trips or city driving. The regen cycle's are more frequent.


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either one will do what you want. I would avoid the gaser in both. The gm 6.0 is a good engine but it is thirsty. The ford 5.4 is ok, but have a good friend that has a fleet of the 350's and he has replaced a number of the engines, some early on which would mean there weren't many miles.

I would go diesel. I have the chevy 6.0 hd grew and it is a great truck, but wish i got the diesel.
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:49 AM
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It's a company vehicle. We get new ones every 3 years. I can't justify the $7000.00 cost increase for s diesel.
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GM all the way.
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$7000 bucks more, $3.50 a gallon, ultra low sulfur and emissions hurting mileage......... drink the toyota tonic and buy a 5.7 tundra.

that should stir things up a bit huh?
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:21 AM
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At 145k miles in 3 years, I doubt he's doing a lot of short trips! Sounds like the diesel is the way to go. Love the looks of the Ford, but the GM Duramax engine is really a hoss (and quite to boot).
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The v-10 is not an engine you want unless you have unlimited bucks for gas. Very powerful, but a gas hog. Had one in my last 22' class c motorhome, a pretty light unit, and never got over 61/2mpg.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:12 AM
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I think I would stick with the Dodge, lifetime warranty, how do you beat that !!

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Old 01-15-2008, 09:15 AM
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I switch both my vechicles from Ford to Chevy and am very happy. I got tired of replacing coils and tranny problems with the fords (along with other misc stuff). the Fords look better and have a nicer interior but when it comes to motor and drive train, get the GM!

(my father has the 6.0 in his 2500HDtruckwith 4.10's -- very powerful but hard on fuel. He wishes he had the 3.73 rear )
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:17 AM
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I've got the 5.4 in a F-150 crew cab 4x4 w/ 3.73 rears and completely stock. In mixed hwy/city driving I was seeing 14.5 mpg, then added an extra tall fiberglass topper with a kayak rack on top and am now seeing 13.5 (hand calculated). That is over a 20,000 mile period and without babying it. I have gotten nearly 18 mpg on pure hwy driving 70ish and no topper so I would expect about 16 mpg now. These mileages are not while towing, I don't ever check that 'cause I don't want to know!

BTW, I cross the scales empty at about 6300 lbs, so I would expect the mileage of a similar F-250 to be about the same. I can't imagine that it weighs much more than mine.

I looked long and hard at a diesel when I bought this truck. I couldn't justify the extra cost because the truck won't be worth anything when I get done with it anyway. You may have a decent argument for diesel if you are purchasing because of the added resale value on a higher mileage 3 yo truck but I doubt it would help on a lease.

I ended up choosing Ford because I wanted as much bed as possible. At the time only Ford had a 6.5' bed on the crew cab on the lot and I knew there was no way my wife would drive a crew cab with an 8' bed (not available on 1/2 ton trucks anyway). I do like the 5.4, it's got plenty of low-end grunt. It pulls my 4000 lb camper and my approx 4000 lb landscape trailer w/ tractor and keeps up with traffic when the light turns green. The local hot rodders seem to dislike being beaten off the line by a pickup pulling a tractor!
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With diesel fuel running at $3.50/gallon by my house, and regular unleaded at $3/gallon, an additional $7000 investment in a diesel engine (assuming (20mpg diesel vs 15 mpg gas) means you would break even at just about 300,000 miles. If you financed it, the breakeven point would be a little further down. Diesel don't save you money - they just pull better.

If you are looking at the F250 lariat, with 3.73 gears and the 5.4, you can expect between 12-14 mpg overall. I averaged 13.5 over a 30,000 mile interval.
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BTW, with a 5.3l Chevy suburban with 3.73 rear and 2wd, I get 18-19 on the highway and with a 1500Silverado with 3.23rear and 5.3l, I get 19-20mpg.

With the silverado (which I drive everyday) I generally get 17-18mpg with combined hwy and around town use. With the high gear ratio I only have a tow rating of 6800lbs though. It also likes to drop a gear on any incline but I mostly tow level land with it and only take a limited number of trips with the boat as I wet slip most the year. I get a hair over 10mpg towing close to the tow rating with it. My suburban tows my 6600#'s very well with the 3.73 and 5.3. Unfortunately my wife has that truck mostly. I should have gotten the 1500hd silverado.

How much do you plan on towing and how frequently do you tow? If you are concerned about mileage and are under the tow rating, get the 1500HD with the 5.3l and 3.73 rear. Just my opinion. Also just get the 2wd with the g80 locking rear diff.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:29 PM
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"The lease on my 2005 Ram 1500 QuadCab is up and time to start shopping.
The Dodge has 145,000 miles on it "

What kind of lease allows nearly 50,000 annual miles without some serious coin for the overage?
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jobowker - 1/15/2008 11:39 AM

With diesel fuel running at $3.50/gallon by my house, and regular unleaded at $3/gallon, an additional $7000 investment in a diesel engine (assuming (20mpg diesel vs 15 mpg gas) means you would break even at just about 300,000 miles. If you financed it, the breakeven point would be a little further down. Diesel don't save you money - they just pull better.

If you are looking at the F250 lariat, with 3.73 gears and the 5.4, you can expect between 12-14 mpg overall. I averaged 13.5 over a 30,000 mile interval.

About five months ago diesel was $1.00 less per gallon. I'm not saying it's going to drop, but it could.

Also, at 300,000 miles your gasoline truck has likely been rebuilt once while my diesel is just getting broken in.

Also factor in service frequency. My recomended oil changes come every 7500 miles. There plenty of folks that change more frequently, but there wasting money. Gasoline engines need service every 3000-5000 miles.

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exactly what jobowker said. do the math, its not a hard decision.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:35 PM
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2007 GMC 2500 HD Duramax, SLT Crew Cab - 8,000 miles and 17mpg and going up every day. The price of Diesel did something strange in my area today. It went down .04 per gallon. I'll take it !!!!!

Pulls 14,000# of Hydra Sport like it wasn't even there !!!!

Company truck or not you should at least take a look !!!!!




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Old 01-15-2008, 06:08 PM
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SO, Will the F250 with the 5.4 or the GMC with the 6.0 pull my boat better?
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