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Old 12-03-2007, 06:12 PM
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Been debating if the Jeep Wagoneer is going to be my mid-life vehicle purchase. Since I don't have the need for speed I tend to go for wagons and suvs.

Anyone have experience with the Grand Wagoneer? IF I were to get one it would already be top-to-bottom restored.

I like this one from grandwagoneer.com

Naturally, prices seem to be at a premium.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:49 PM
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I would love for someone to explain the fascination with these to me.

My parents owned a couple of 'em - I had fun driving one around in high school - but I certainly don't know why you'd pay a premium for one today. When I heard a couple years ago you could buy a restored one I thought it was a joke. That's like saying I want to buy a restored 1984 chevy cavalier. (no offense, Wiley)

My recollection is that the Wagoneer, while not bad for its time, (are there any mid to late 80s vehicles that were good?) wasn't really anything to write home about. The 318/360 is a decent enough engine but I'd rather have it in a newer Durango body. (even then, having owned one of those, it was also "okay") I remember one of the Wagoneers grenaded a transmission (parts literally falling on the road behind us) and another where the engine caught fire. All of them had pretty finicky 4wd, I think the first one we owned still had manual hubs but someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Also one day with our "newest" one, my dad and I were in the back yard loading up some junk and couldn't figure out why the tailgate wouldn't close - turned out one of the rear wheels was down in a hole, and the whole body was tweaked so much that the latch wouldn't line up. Scary. Oh yeah that was also the one that turned from burgandy to chalky white when the clear coat went to crap.

Honestly we drove them into the ground but they held up like somebody drove them into the ground. Appreciating it's retro styling is one thing, but polishing a turd... ;-)
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Flot, you just described the beauty of owning one!



Thanks for the feedback. Yup, the hubs were manual.

Again, I would only buy restored/upgraded.

Years ago a friend of mine had the Laredo Wagon. It was the smoothest, roomiest all purpose vehicle I'd ever ridden in.
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Wet-n-Wiley - 12/3/2007 9:53 PM
Flot, you just described the beauty of owning one!

Thanks for the feedback. Yup, the hubs were manual.

Again, I would only buy restored/upgraded.

Years ago a friend of mine had the Laredo Wagon. It was the smoothest, roomiest all purpose vehicle I'd ever ridden in.
LOL. Well all I can say is that when my family "upgraded" to a 94 Grand Cherokee we were dancing in the streets, at least for a few months. The hubs were manual on one, but in our last one I am pretty sure the 4wd was vacuum operated (sometimes) automatic.

I will admit some of the photos on that site were pretty impressive and they do an amazing job with the restoration. And of course if you're buying it with a new engine and driveline it isn't quite the same kind of pain. It does make me a bit nostagic - but I still remember lots and lots of greasy busted knuckes in high school and the firemen showing up to extinguish the engine...
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Yeah... being it's a mid-life buy it'll have to have all the upgrades.

As for car fires I had a '73 Ford Galaxie 500 blow up in my driveway (my first car). It was quite the scene for the neighbors - 2 firetrucks dispatched.

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Jeeps suck
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I had a 1984 CJ7 rust bucket with eternal engine problems.

Looked cool though!

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20-24RAVENS and looks good....Jeep's are cool if you live in the woods
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WFOFISHING - 12/3/2007 11:23 PM

Jeep's are cool if you live in the woods
Or by the beach.

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Wet-n-Wiley - 12/4/2007 12:01 AM

WFOFISHING - 12/3/2007 11:23 PM

Jeep's are cool if you live in the woods
Or by the beach.



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Wiley, There are a ton of them here in NC. They all seem to have rusting issues around the windows. I worked at a drugstore in highschool 80s and I used to deliver the prescriptions in one. Horrible gas mileage. But cool. Not CJ- cool but old man- cool..
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Never had a Wagoneer. A Comanchee and then a Wrangler for 14 years tho....
A quick story if I may. Was fishing OBX on the beach, I had my Wrangler and my buddy had his Range Rover (both newish around 1990). This old salt chewing a stogie rolls up to us in a crusty old Wagoneer and starts chatting, sees the RR and asks if he can touch it.. We're all laughing... Then he asks my bud what it costs, acts like he's taken back and says "Hell you coulda bought the whole junkyard where I got mine for that"
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Wiley, I bought one brand new and pulled a bass boat all over the southeast with it. At that time, the 360 was one of the best engines built. Great for going to spectator events, no other vehicle I've ever owned could stand four chairs with adults sitting in them on the roof with no damage. They are "classic" looking and the younger generation will gawk when they see you sitting on the roof and wonder why they can't do that to their honda. Mine was white with tan leather.
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Jeeps are cool for a friend to own....


sorry I heard that somewhere and thought it was funny . I also like the "its a Jeep thing you would NOT understand" sticker. My wife has a Merc G500 (a big outdated jeep looking box) and I got a kick out of a sticker she found that said "Its NOT and Jeep and you STILL would not understand". Unique cars certainly collect unique people.

The restored wagoners are the real deal and if you have always liked them go for it I do not think you will take a bath on it on resale as they seem to go up in value if they are in the proper order.

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Wiley-I've had several of them over the years. The last one I had I sold to the guy at www.wagonmaster.com, and his "refurb" process consisted of replacing my new white letter michelins with some may-pop white walls and pulling tint off the windows, then selling it for 10K more than he gave me for it. I actually saw it on Ebay from a seller down in Florida about 2 years later (earlier this year) with about 25K more miles and the guy was still asking more than I sold it to the Wagonmaster for. They are neat vehicles, and you get a lot of comments on them if they are close to stock. But with as many capable SUV's as there are out there they are more cool to be seen in and going places like tailgating, etc. than they are useful. A stock one will get about 10-13 mpg, If one gets 15 on the hiaghway its doing something. They don't pull much (the 360 only had about 160HP when they killed in in '91).

WWW.ifsja.org is the biggest (if not the only) site that I know of that really supports the old SJ wagons and trucks. And most of those really know these things--from head to tail, especially running gear. And there are some good supply houses on the web like www.bjsoffroad.com, www.teamgrandwagoneer.com, and as a last, expensive, might-not-get-your-parts-resort, www.grandwagoneers.com.

Good luck with one if you get one. I'd recomend the newest model you can find (a '91) and if you can swing it, get one with a sun roof, from out west somewhere to avoid the rust. If you can't get that, definitely don't get one pre '86--they had issues with the dash wiring through the ammeter gauges that can cause them to catch fire. A good clean '89-91 model with <100K miles can be bought in the 10-15K range..and that is one that is pristine. Good luck.
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I had the Jeep thing, now it hurts to pee :/

What would you be doing with it? Offroading, just a clean resto, something in between?
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Tarbaby - 12/4/2007 5:52 AM Wiley, There are a ton of them here in NC. They all seem to have rusting issues around the windows. I worked at a drugstore in highschool 80s and I used to deliver the prescriptions in one. Horrible gas mileage. But cool. Not CJ- cool but old man- cool..
I don't know--I wasat a horse race (again..these things are best for tailgating) a few years back and some drunk co-ed knocked on my window and went into detail on how much she loved my Grand Wagoneer and how it was the &quot;coolest truck there&quot;. I'd say more than old men think it's cool
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My brother in law purchased one new and had it for less than a year when it broke down on the side of the interstate. Still under warranty they towed it in and after about a day they called him at his office and said the thing was dead and they would give him a full credit toward a new purchase. He went to the dealership and they just started naming one thing after another and said they had never seen a car just go like this one. He thought at first they just wanted to sell him another car but when he drove off only giving them another $400 dollars for a new car he figured it must have just died. He showed me the list and it was things from a blown motor to leaking shocks and this SUV never even saw 4x4.
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Wiley, if you like them, go for it. Personally, I think they're cool, especially that one you showed. I currently own a 98 Cherokee Classic along with my 73 F-100 and I love both of them for their no frills approach to motoring. To have the classic lines combined with the Jeep toughness would be a good thing. Get it!
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