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Old 11-23-2007, 08:01 AM
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Saw the story on AOL which mentioned this was now on YouTube. I would think this trooper is going to have himself some problems.

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I would think he has major problems. If he had done this to "one of our" fourm members he would have serious, very serious problems.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:07 AM
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No doubt the guy should have followed the trooper's directions, but this was a bit extreme to say the least.

Just curious, will you be arrested if you refuse to sign a traffic ticket?
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:17 AM
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What is it that makes you think you can give the police that kind of trouble, without paying a price. I think the officer did the proper thing. If the police stop you, be polite, agree to do everything they say, take it up in court later if you think they are wrong. With the trash they have to deal with everyday they don't deserve any more trouble. Most all of them are good people just trying to do an important job, protecting all of us.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:18 AM
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I really don't see where the cop did anything wrong, if the idiot would have signed the ticket he wouldn't have been tasered, if the idiot would have done what the cop told him after refusing to sign the ticket he wouldn't have been tasered. The way I see it is the guy thought he could dictate to the cop how things were going to go, and he was mistaken and it cost him.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:24 AM
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I think in Louisiana if you refuse to sign a traffic ticket they can arrest you. And by signing you are not admitting to guilt. Only that you were there, or something like that..Just a few weeks ago I got a speeding ticket (speed ometer was broken and new one on back order) and I did as above poster suggested. The only thing I did was tell him of my speedometer broken. He wasn't interested. I even asked him to look at it as the needle was pointing straight down. He wasn't interested in that as well. But like I always say, why talk to the Indian when you know the chief!!
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:52 AM
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The cop has serious personality issues, and he is a lying POS!!! Listen to his account of events as he explains it to the other officer at the end of the video, then scan back and rewatch the tasering.

As the video continues it becomes obvious the cop is less and less confident he did the right thing by tasering the guy. The cop tells the wife it looked like the speeder dude was "taking off".

fwiw, Utah (where this happened) UHP policy says one of three situations can warrant Taser deployment, according to Roden. First, a person could be threatening himself, others or an officer; second, the use of more force would endanger people; or third, other means of control have proved insufficient.

I didn't see any one of those situations in the video. As of last Tuesday the officer was still on the job., working his regular shift. But since the vid hit YouTube last week the UHP is acceleratingly its internal investigation of Officer John Gardner's conduct.

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Like I said in my earlier post, the guy should have followed directions given by the trooper. That being said, I still think the the trooper used unneccessary force with that Taser. It's not as though the motorist was combative. A smartass maybe, but not combative. Too bad we can't hear all the audio with that one, not that it matters in the end I suppose.

You just don't shoot a guy with a Taser while he is standing in the highway questioning a traffic ticket. What happens if the motorist is struck and killed by a passing car after the trooper Tasers him?

I support our LE agencies 100%, but this guy just looked a little trigger happy IMO.
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In my state, you can be arrested for any violation. It's the officer's discretion how best to proceed.

Once the driver headed back to his car, I'd have taserred him too. You dont know if he's got a weaon or will try to drive off. The only thing I believe the cop did wrong was not to inform the guy he was "under arrest" before pressing the trigger. Being told "turn around and put your hands behind your back" is (imo) a reasonable substitute declaration though.

That he did not taser, or arrest the woman too, tells me he was clear-headed enough to interpret her actions correctly. It kind of reinforces to me that he was using good judgement with the driver too and not running on authority over-dose.

As to THT Members getting busted... We had one member talk around getting busted once and he was not given any slack for being BWI once we figured out what he meant. "Wheels" dont give you immunity and it's obvous we are not all singing in the choirl lol
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:06 AM
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Kamper - 11/23/2007 12:01 PM

That he did not taser, or arrest the woman too, tells me he was clear-headed enough to interpret her actions correctly. It kind of reinforces to me that he was using good judgement with the driver too and not running on authority over-dose.
WOW!

You're giving the trooper credit for not Tasering the guy's wife for being concerned her husband was lying in the street over failure to sign a traffic ticket?
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:10 AM
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After watching this a few more times it is evident this cop is a wussie. And the wife should have told him to get the hell out of her vehicle. Someone get this guy a lawyer now. just think if he were black....
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:12 AM
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There are 2 lessons to be learned from this video.

1. Comply with police instructions, take it up later with the court.

2. Absolutely adhere to #1 when a moron cop is involved.

Apparently in Utah, you can be dragged before a judge if you refuse to sign a citation, but this cop showed very poor judgement by not simply informing the motorist of this.

Odd he gets fired: 70:30
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I went back and watched it again myself. The trooper shot the guy in the back. There is no way to know what that driver was doing by walking back towards his car, but he certainly wasn't doing anything quickly as to indicate he was looking to run. If the trooper thought he was in danger, why did he not pull his weapon given the guy's wife was still in the vehicle where a gun could have been inside?

So what if he does jump in his car and run? Where the heck is he going to go in the friggin' desert? He was stopped for an alleged traffic violation, not a criminal offense.

Sorry, but this trooper was out of line. I don't think he thought for a second he was in danger. He was PO'd because the guy was disrespecting him. It would be interesting to see what kind of service record the trooper has.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:20 AM
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It's ironic the taser was supposed to reduce hands on confrontations between police and offenders as well as the visual impact of numerous officers using controlling techniques on uncooperative persons. Unfortunately the taser seems to have quite the opposite effect on the public and shocks the conscience even more.

If a person refuses an officers commands they have little choice but to put hands on the person to gain control. The end result can be injuries to the offender or the officer or both. The taser helps eliminate those hands on problems but has created its own connundrum.

Had he let the guy the go we would all be talking about how he wouldn't have killed his wife and kids if the cops had done their job or something else. Cops can't win either way. Yes sir no sir and sign the ticket on the side of the road. Save your argument for the judge. Had the guy walked back to his car unmolested ,returned with a firearm and shot the officer it would be another conversation entirely...... They just can't win.
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WOW!

LOL. What can I say? I like to see people rolling on the ground peeing themselves.

Seriously... I was pointing out the trooper recognised that the woman was just worried about her companion and not being a threat. There are videos out there of people being treated very severley for conduct I'd consider less threatening than hers.

I view the driver as beng subdued to keep him from getting back into the car for a weapon or to drive off. The officer told him more than once to return to the rear of the vehicle. I dont know about you but when someone points a weapon at me I presume they are serious.

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Cop was 100% wrong, and I certainly hope he lost his job over that stupid incident.
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davidridenour - 11/23/2007 12:20 PM
... Yes sir no sir and sign the ticket on the side of the road. Save your argument for the judge. ...
Yup. Choose your battles -and- your battlefield.
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Eyeball - 11/23/2007 11:52 AM

The cop has serious personality issues, and he is a lying POS!!! Listen to his account of events as he explains it to the other officer at the end of the video, then scan back and rewatch the tasering.
I just now watched the entire video for the first time. I had only watched it up until the point the guy was Tasered until then.

The officer's description of the events leading up to his using the Taser were not accurate. He did not warn the guy he was going to Taser him as he indicated in his story to the other officer. He drew the Taser immediately after telling the guy to turn around.

After hearing him explain to the officer how the motorist thought he was going to control the situation, it became pretty obvious this was all about power. The trooper even threatened to Taser the motorist again, even while he was handcuffed and asking what speed he was accused of running while in that speed zone.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in court. I think that trooper has given his co-workers a bad name with that episode.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:37 AM
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I think the cop was a little taser happy, but the driver could have acted a little more respectful and avoided the whole situation. I guess it's gonna come down to whether or not the use of the taser is warranted under the law.
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The driver was an idiot, walk away from a cop arresting you? He had plenty of opportunity to comply. Cop had no choice but to take control, but asstated eariler, he's in a no win situation. There's too many loonies out there to take a chance.
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